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Get this happened under an IRS.
Appointed by George Bush and was investigated by a Republican.
What happened to you was unfair.
It was unfair an incredibly inconvenient but it was a mistake.
Our job is to make sure it never happens again I haven't heard a single word here.
About what questions you think we ought to be able to ask you about your tax exempt requests.
Like this circus that's happening in the oversight committee -- here is simply political theater.
It is diverting attention from what we ought to be doing on this committee is rewriting.
Law if it's -- All right thank you time's expired mr.
Ryan is recognized.
I -- deviate my original question in response to what I just heard.
chairman what mr.
chairman well you welcome no we -- ordered him so your blame I guess is the message here.
To suggest that.
These citizens are to blame for applying.
I don't understand how anyone can make that conclusion -- -- And all the back to the special edition of Hannity and my next guest.
Is that a friend of this program for many years the reverend Franklin Graham he claims that his two North Carolina based charities were targeted by the IRS.
For political reasons and earlier this month he sent a letter to President Obama explaining just how deep the damage went it reads in part quote unfortunately.
While these audits not only wasted taxpayer money they wasted money contributed by donors for ministry purposes as we had to spend.
Servicing the IRS agents in our offices I'm bringing this to your attention -- -- I believe that someone in the administration was targeting.
And attempting to intimidate us this is morally wrong and an ethical indeed some would call it.
On americans' turn now to explain more than reverend Franklin Graham is back with a welcome them honest everybody.
Can for the fifth home and.
Pretty hard hitting letter -- as you.
We just wonder what made you write this letter what happened to the two ministries that you referred to bombs on September the sixth of last year.
Both samaritans purse in the -- the Graham evangelistic association received letters dated the same day.
That we -- be audited.
And you know IRS has a right to all -- -- and their -- not this not an issue.
And they came and all of its America's first first and then went to the the program evangelist association but we're two separate corporations.
To -- board of directors to different cities.
And for us to both be notified.
By a letter dated the same day to me is a little suspicious and I didn't.
We have more than suspicious so we had only what what's happening this country if we're if we're I can see auditing you put your father right can't see auditing.
But sigh I'm kidding I'm -- -- -- seriously it'll read what what an audit the reverend Billy Graham.
Well this this is that if if if there -- two issues and Sean one was.
The Billy Graham evangelistic association is also -- in Minnesota corporation frank we've we close our offices in Minneapolis -- -- in the Charlotte, North Carolina.
We decided two years ago to to file for a new organization.
Incorporated in the state of North Carolina and then as for tax exempt status.
We applied last year four attacks -- -- took fourteen months for that application to be approved.
I'm normally applications like this at the most you know for four to six months for something like that but it was it was delayed for fourteen months till after the election.
Force Americans person in the -- association when we were audited.
The guys were -- -- -- -- some official about the IRS agent nice nice guy okay I don't have an issue with the -- they were professional good you know good good they -- find anything -- -- Not so nothing.
So there was there was no there -- 499 the issue no change letter that they accepted the 99 has filed with no changes.
And and and we appreciate that.
And shall we are audited every year by external auditors we have internal auditors that go through our our our policies.
But a special programs continually.
We make our our audited statement public and anybody can have that they want it and so have been RS come -- wasn't wasn't a concern to me.
What to what was concern or we targeted because of our of our religious beliefs.
In North Carolina last April there was an amendment.
Put -- -- our.
State -- to change the constitution.
To define marriage as between a man and a woman.
The president came out against amendment one.
My father came out supported it and we took out some ads.
Support -- -- also -- say well you get involved in politics know this is a moral issue.
And because a politician takes a moral issue doesn't mean now it's a political issue and and people of faith have to be quiet about it.
This is a moral issue and we're gonna speak out on moral issues and I think that maybe this was an attempt to intimidate us -- -- payback.
Because we we spoke out on -- -- issue and then -- if we prevailed in North Carolina.
The amendment passed you know it's -- I'm not trying to get personal.
How much does this cost you ministries and I'm -- and all don't know it's weeks of weeks.
All we -- preparing -- they've been good documentation that they wanna say.
If it took a fairly large staff.
Weeks to prepare the documentation and be ready for the and to be ready for them in the Cayman.
Because we're good friends I was able to kid with you earlier about auditing you -- not your dad but but.
I've I've I've donated to samaritans purse I support samaritans purse I've been out on the road with you.
I know the good that you do and the same with your father and when I heard this I heard was the same day in light of everything.
When you hear that groups with the name Tea Party patriot in the constitution.
But that they were specifically targeted and they've admitted to a new dollars and eleven what did you think of that.
Well that is make sure one -- the wood was a much broader than Tea Party and in political -- was it -- taken in now conservative Christian organizations like the Billy Graham evangelistic association.
Because we oppose the president's position.
On on same sex marriage.
That these are moral issues again -- and then of course I'm a Christian I I believe that Jesus Christ -- the way the truth the life I believe that.
He came forth to die for our sins he was -- persons and it rose from the grave.
And that he'll forgive our sins if we're willing to put our faith and trust in Christ.
That this is what I believe and it's obvious that there there are people in the administration -- that do not agree with these moral principles.
That the did Billy Graham eventually associations -- -- first believe it.
Now are we going to be targeted again because of what -- what we believe so I don't know that's why I wrote the president a letter and I don't believe Sean.
That the president himself.
Probably knew anything about this.
But I -- to to give him the benefit of the doubt like the president I think he's a nice person I disagree with him home many of his policies.
But at the same time I wanted to write him and let him know that we we suspect that we were targeted and what he looked into the but I have not heard reply yeah.
I would put in the letter one thing that you you didn't put in render unto Caesar that which is caesar's and god that which is gods which means that Caesar gets nothing.
-- So I'm just kidding.
Reverend thank you for sharing your story it's an important issue and I know your dad is there is doing well and and we wish him our very best is like -- pretty sad when we're targeting.
The reverend Billy Graham that's sad when we come back he gonna get --
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