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I have Greg Gutfeld and tonight for Bill O'Reilly thanks for watching us.
The bombshell revelations about our government spying on us that's the subject of this evening's talking points memo.
It's out if someone asks you do you wish 9/11 never happened you obviously would say yes.
If he were -- to ask do you wish there'd been assistant to catch those terrorists before they attack.
Yes to that -- which is why the NSA data scoop is a tricky thing.
If that program had existed twelve years ago 9/11 might have been stopped but that's the problem with proving a negative.
If you prevented terror attack how do you know how do people know the benefit of that.
It hurts my brain just thinking about it.
But the White House claims this -- grab a phone records did stop one attack which makes you wonder if the security program like this wasn't present and that attack hit.
Would we now clamor for one.
So the question really is do you forfeit the ability to find a needle in the haystack.
If you live in that haystack.
Well sadly whatever this snooping amounts to.
It didn't stop the Boston bombing or Fort Hood the strangest case of workplace violence ever.
Sorry if Fort Hood is workplace violence than the Hindenburg was an air show.
But Fort Hood did not did happen not because of lack of Intel.
But lack of will we were scared to call terror what terror is for fear of appearing bigoted and that opened the door to the double.
So it's not about surveillance really but -- administration who cannot use it properly.
Sorry I just can't trust.
A progressive government given their nature to defend America's critics rather than our own values if America were a car.
The left would root for rust.
And we can't feel too safe when one arm of the government the IRS is already targeting decent Americans.
Seriously we've had the DOJ the IRS and now the NSA.
Anymore scandals and we'll need to move on to the Greek alphabet.
And that's the memo now -- the top story the government's secret surveillance program is bigger than first reported.
As the Washington Post revealed it's not just Verizon phone customers whose data is being -- Big Brother spying on the Internet as well.
Joining us now from DC Washington post's investigative reporter Robert O'Hara the author of the book no place to hide.
So Robert assume I am an idiot which most people do including members of my family -- -- out -- who's doing what and where.
The program's called prism and it's a great code name it's visited.
I -- involves.
Something that we known has been going on for years now which is a partnership between the government and private sector data collectors.
In this case we're talking about Microsoft.
America on lie and apple and others.
And essentially it amounts to the NSA having.
What appears to be direct access to those servers.
In an effort to find foreign nationals that they believe may be involved in nefarious activities so the basically the goal is.
-- terrorists calling someone in America or vice Versa and being able to flag that.
It you can't do that can you do that any other way without this sort of mass data collection.
Well there's a lot of different ways you can do I data collection there there saying that this isn't -- data collection.
But of course there's no way to know and that's probably the key problem here.
And by the way I don't see this in any way as a Republican or democratic.
Type issue and there are people that are trying to protect the country and they -- operating behind a cloak of secrecy.
And I think.
That many Americans would say.
That's intolerable because we don't allow unchecked power in this country well okay plain English.
Are they reading our emails.
I yes it apparently they're not just reading emails they're collecting videos they're looking -- Memos documents and if you expand this more broadly they're listening.
Pardon me there collecting data about telephone calls.
On my suspicion is that.
What we're looking at is is the proverbial tip of the iceberg and that the data collection is.
Far broader massive much more intensive.
Than what we're seeing here but in this program.
What we know for sure from.
In any case what we've heard from the president and from intelligence officials is that they are going into these systems and they are collecting information.
And it is helping them on.
Apparently hundreds of cases.
They say that it's narrow and focused on foreign nationals.
We're gonna have to see it seems likely that.
Some of this data collection is going to be involving American citizens what do you know about this terror attack that was thwarted I heard it wasn't a subway.
Targeting a subway new Yorker.
Do you have -- if not -- -- I don't have any information on it.
Right typically it's very very hard to extract information about successful.
And counterintelligence efforts.
Because officials are the intelligence community is exceedingly worried about showing your sources and methods I'm not shirt.
Even when we do hear about.
These cases where to instances were thwarted.
We're going to be hearing the full story but the answer is no I don't know about that case I think what people first hear about this story they're shocked at this week that there.
There's millions and millions and millions of data.
What do you compare that to let me what is the other option do you just make feel people feel better by only looking at some data -- not all of it.
Well my my view on this having worked on my book for more than a year and and in having this this world.
It's very simple.
Data and technology.
Is very powerful tool for protecting national security.
To be hard to argue that.
We what I think would expect.
Our leaders to use these tools if they weren't using them.
I think that -- the problem here is.
That it's happening so often behind -- cloak of secrecy.
We don't really know how they're using it and in my investigation.
Simpler data tools by law enforcement.
All over and over again shows that if given a chance they will abuse them -- I get one quick last question why was this brought to the attention by the guardian.
Well the Washington Post I actually broke the story first twenty minutes or so ahead of the guardian.
But god it appears that there were at least it two different sets of reporters okay thank you Robert next on the run down President Obama defend.
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