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Not done anything wrong.
I have not broken any laws.
I have not violated any -- rules or regulations and I have not provided false information.
To this or any other congressional committee.
And while I would very much like to answer the committee's questions today.
I've been advised by my counsel to assert my constitutional right not to testify or answer questions related to the subject matter of this hearing.
Are those slowest -- the director of the tax exempt organizations division at the IRS -- now on administrative leave invoking the Fifth Amendment during a hearing on the scandal last week so.
What -- average Americans think about her refusal to answer questions about the targeting of conservatives and conservative groups.
Trying to manage that very question of some of the very people who say they were unfairly targeted by the IRS.
-- -- supposedly canned good to see off.
I just a short -- how many of you to answer a question think that -- Lerner was invoking the fifth behind something.
Nobody all right I'm gonna go through real quick.
-- the organization through the vote which -- of liberty Tea Party patriots Tea Party was through the key part Tea Party kitchen table PH.
There are patriot Tea Party express Tea Party -- Tea Party citizens for self governance.
-- -- -- -- -- National Organization for Marriage mean one of those conservative groups okay that Texas public policy foundation.
The Dallas Tea Party -- Tea Party.
Fox radio talk time tots started this year I think -- news -- in the -- -- dot net kind.
During which -- porn pictures of shelters.
And interest and all the names that we're not supposed to have -- -- group -- and you get targeted how many just to show hands were all of you unfairly you believe targeted by the IRS.
-- -- I think that my situation is more than bureaucracy -- of -- I have a seat for so I can I have a story to tell -- OK when -- get -- all right Catherine start with you and.
What do you would not it wasn't only the IRS for you it was OSHA.
It was a whole bunch of government agencies tell -- story.
We filed our non -- application in July 2010.
Up until that time I've never had any government agency be involved with with anything that -- had to do except filing your normal yearly tax returns.
After filing that application.
As recently as a month ago we have had eighteen different points of contact.
From the FBI from -- department of labor's OSHA.
From the department of justice's.
IRS received meat Department of Justice is bad if ATF.
So we have done.
They find anything wrong now and how long -- this -- so far how long has this been going on this thing going on almost three years.
Three years almost three years and all these different government agencies and not not a one found anything wrong now.
Now that's that's pretty amazing right Kevin.
Which doesn't liberty actually where 5501 C three sort of a bit different than many of the applicants and I run in educational institutions.
Our motto is to challenge the imagination of the rising generation.
We teach high school college students and conservative political philosophy.
One of the most egregious issues that we face is that.
Because some of the students that I work with our miners the IRS actually asks us to identify the students -- we -- teaching to provide them details but what we are teaching.
And then during this whole process may six we get a third letter which says we also need to know the location of where you're conducting these teachings.
Well pretty amazing story Jenny Beth Martin known you for a while.
Yes and say I'm -- pretty patriots and we filed for our 501 C three and -- title and C four in December of 2010.
We are nothing from the IRS even that we made inquiries.
No response back until early in 2012.
-- two years later a year and a half an hour and a half play and and we see we got questions like some evil is always some of the more outrageous -- you got the they wanted to know every congressman and senators that any of our people spent two in all the communications with them including copies of written communication and then none of their.
We didn't give wine business.
Reserves the right I'm.
If -- again that's their business that have the ability -- that I if you can't communicate we hear your own elected.
The person -- is supposed to represent yet.
Without it without being targeted by the IRS it's a problem that -- lot of constitutional issues here freedom of speech association.
In the case of going after James Rosen in the -- -- freedom of the press and it just run.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
Reverend Graham reverend Graham prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Abridging the freedom of speech.
Or of the press -- 8 PM Fox News.
Or the right of the people to peaceably assemble which is what we were all trained again about to get -- every station the government.
I'm not the government for redress of grievances they broke every bit of -- Well said all right all of your stories we're trying to put this together for all of you at home and when we come back.
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