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Former speaker of the house Newt Gingrich joins us mister speaker last week it was thought that it was a couple of complacent Cincinnati this week the trail does leave for the IRS targeting to Washington even in the -- position.
Well I think it's deeper and deeper -- and you learn that the IRS commissioner visited the White House a 157.
Times which is more than the attorney general the secretary of state the city treasury combined.
And you really have to ask question what were they going therefore.
When you realize that now apparently there's several.
Employees who are saying flatly look I got my orders directly from Washington they mean -- person.
I'm sure that -- not going to be brought in and depose under roads.
Knew that person on the air so who you reporting to the sting you know if -- -- -- how Watergate unfolded.
It's just week after week after week and this betrayal gets bigger and broader of course they're now off on top of that was this really weird.
Various and sundry conferences with -- happiness speaker.
And a painter who made you feel better about yourself.
And then the -- just looks worse and worse with each passing week.
His trial lot of stuff started a long time ago to what extent does its Volvo on president Obama's -- even into virgin tiger's back here's in different forms.
Well I think if you look at the total number of scandals and and Gingrich productions we now have for four interns.
Who have taken an entire room over and they're trying to put all the scandals up on the wall just suing C among others there's the -- protection agency scandal involving.
Giving private farmers names two -- years.
There's a there's a scandal with the secretary Sebelius of health and human services there is what the attorney general's been doing in terms of the Associated Press on Fox News.
You go all weren't virtually every cabinet officer had an illegal private email address it apparently violates a 1974 law.
Every time you turn around I think this is -- age bureaucratic big government scandal.
With Obama as a piece of it but it's not Ramallah scandal percent so much broader much deeper sense.
How sick from the system has.
Kind of question I have these very conflicting reports about the National Security Agency.
And part of what -- the Internal Revenue Service is really damaging.
To our belief in government is.
If you have IRS agents who ask Christian groups you know what we -- your prayers so we're asking -- 83 year old woman.
What -- the conversations in your Friday morning coffee group.
Why would you trust another element of the very -- government.
Was enormous quantities of secret data about virtually every American and I think that that undermines the whole sense of trust in government.
Well late Thursday afternoon in the New York Times editorial board -- on the blistering editorial taking President Obama apart on issues of promised transparency and accountability.
And the fact that this and I say I'm invest in -- tennis say how stupid is it going not if he's got a New York Times editorial board not turning against him.
Is that just the flash in the pan -- -- is that more why -- I think.
I mean for so my expectation as you see more things next week and more things a week after the vision of -- you covered before it.
When these things start to bring down more and more people week.
More and more people feel like do they want to get out front of the problem.
You begin to get more trails -- go down.
There are there are now -- this is very different Watergate there are more different committees.
In the congress -- looking at different aspects of scandal.
Then I think I can -- -- my lifetime and every week we had one or two more and I think that's going to continue.
And it's partly the Obama administration's attitude which has been very arrogant.
And I think fundamentally dishonest.
And is partly this underlying decay of the bureaucracy which is so out of control.
That this is true under bush it was true under under Clinton and he's had a continuing growth of -- bureaucracy which things that nobody controls it it doesn't report to anybody.
And it doesn't matter what you say they think President Obama thinks that this -- you pay attention and ours is getting to him was -- a distraction.
Well I think they're still -- that video of the week -- barrage of this book on death and and you start with.
Rejection and then anger then.
Bargaining in an acceptance I think there's -- the rejection -- I think I think he's trying to figure out tied to a foreign trip.
I can make a big speech well what continue to cover the unity of people not to think about it.
The next phase though this is part of what happens in -- even scandal is.
The amount of time you have to spend being briefed the number of new things are coming my view of the president's -- -- -- is -- OG.
Turns out the Internal Revenue Service commissioner was in this building the White House 457.
-- -- -- What -- why was he what was who was -- -- How that you knew the president 157 times ten and you get the next story and then -- get the next story is so part of -- happens is you lose a great deal of your energy to be a leader just having to absorb all these punches.
And handing me a brief -- what do they mean how we gonna handle them what are we gonna do.
How do you -- how do you -- to determine whether something this political.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- Well I think this is something Republicans have to be very careful about in the house.
The country and he's very supportive of congress.
Which gets the facts it is not supportive of congress which goes on a partisan witch hunt and I would say the calmer and the more fact oriented.
The Republicans can be and developing these investigations.
The broader the support to get in the country and I think.
Almost everywhere in the country believes the IRS -- something profoundly wrong even most Democrats believe they did something profoundly wrong almost every American is troubled.
By the scale of the gathering up of information we're learning about from the National Security Agency.
So I think there's a potential availability.
Of a very broad bipartisan effort to get to the truth but people have to believe that that's sincerely -- you're trying to do.