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President Obama -- -- administration is dragnet sweeping surveillance programs -- phone records of millions of Americans and intercepting data from the nation's largest Internet companies.
But how the presence explanation sit with Americans ABC news political director Rick Klein joins us tonight struck by the -- says no one is listening.
Love to believe him but the and clapper under oath before congress to democratic senator Wyden said that they -- have it.
We have some other little prompts for the sort of slippery when the story.
And Americans have learned -- -- inordinate amount of information in the last 4872 hours about what our government has been doing we didn't know this the president said he welcomes this debate well.
We haven't had the debate because we need until late he doesn't like people of the race if -- hit like the leaks they welcomes a debate we wouldn't really get the debate without the Lisa -- on transparency right people to go to jail over those -- exactly.
It ended the witness is being beaten.
Being received right now the president has managed to unite the far right and the far left liberals and liberal to libertarian suddenly agree.
The issue is going to be the middle and I don't know where it is yet because you hear the members of congress -- seems to be general support among the people who were most briefed on this issue on the intelligence committee.
But people now know something about the federal government and indeed details of which were not known before.
We have no idea this was going on with regard to the phone companies we -- -- -- idea this was going on.
With regard to electronic communication so this could take some time to digest and the president said he welcomes it and he's gonna get it because there's going to be members of congress.
There's going to be a public responding to this and it's -- -- some time to play out.
Let's say at least seven there was a duck congress knew all about it everything -- you talk about the oversight.
Well you know what oversight hasn't been particularly good this time we look at the IRS you know that's how much confidence -- -- -- -- -- good congress invited oversight on the -- Intel gathering when they've done a lousy job on the IRS and on many other things that what kind of comments the American people have.
And I've I've been any contact with members of congress today who were just -- surprise as we all were to learn this news over the last couple -- days.
There's a big issue with oversight on intelligence because if you did have a concern and your seating on the intelligence committee like senator Udall -- -- like senator Wyden did.
This open talk about it they couldn't even tell.
Almost of their colleagues about their that the particulars of their concerns because of the way this information is walled off so it's impossible to have the full oversight now.
President says all three branches of government are involved including the judicial the executive the legislative.
It's elements of all of that -- definitely true there's no question this program.
It was legal and was it was carried out with those -- knowledge but they didn't all know about it but even judges make mistakes we judges make decisions at the lower level what's constitutional by the time -- -- -- the Supreme Court there reversed have been without the debate out in the open up -- hiding in the American people you know can't possibly magnetic.
That order that was leaked and it this week EP it's gonna be declassified in 2038.
That's when we get to see that order in its in its entirety so if there isn't that kind of oversight because all of this stuff is -- off.
What's the political ramifications or and either not -- because involves both parties say -- look you have support both parties and I think that's a -- that the president can go from.
You also have I think a lot of members of public if you watch homeland that you watched 24 you probably thought this was happening there assumed it was happening even if you -- know that he tells.
People seem to be willing to cut the government a good amount of slack when it's about.
Terrorism was about keeping Americans safe this -- in the IRS story we've -- rogue agents in there this is an actual legal program.
For one thing let's not forget the fact that they had said that it didn't stop the Boston bombing and they even knew they were tipped off about the dust and I have Brothers from the -- -- They had they apparently -- find their computer and for find their phone so it's not exactly an an airtight step program is gonna protect us.
Certainly -- as members of congress who say that it has prevented actual attacks -- -- -- -- help answer is that you can -- I'd love to know the details of that because I think that has to be part of the -- ability to know -- all -- not just enough to -- We need this because we have to keep people safe and asks why innocent third grader and an edit that that would be -- want for anything obviously and -- just saying that the -- trust us with a government that.
The phrase I think means a little less than it did even a few weeks ago the -- -- give thanks for.