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I administratively but still -- -- -- government paycheck from you.
So is anyone at the IRS really being held accountable Forbes media chairman and editor in chief Steve Forbes joins us nice to see you stayed in -- -- -- Greta thank you.
How really -- is real accountability not just that Washington talk we have answered that surround immediate talks about it but that we have real product real action to clean things up.
I think go ultimately the only way yes you'll have more congressional investigation which have been very educational.
But all ultimately I think we need a special prosecutor.
Who has subpoena powers who has the power to -- grand juries who can do a systematic investigation.
Who could start book from people right on the ground and go up the -- Right into the White House we had an Irish commissioners we know what paid.
Followed what over -- 150 visits to the White House when his predecessor paid one visit to the White House.
So you gotta do it in a systematic way I don't like special prosecutors but I think the abuse here.
But it just didn't go after an enemy's list born after citizens all around the country of a particular political persuasion.
We have to have that kind of special prosecutor today.
If it turns out of the president as saying nothing to do -- this known -- not this totally confined within the IRS.
Is he still to be in some ways -- have responsibility as being that you know the head of the country.
Is that a cultural thing.
Absolutely he set the tone -- going back to 2010.
When he pointed out through these organizations sometimes by name.
Anything that they are controlled by foreign entities.
And he had eight to ten senator sending letters to the iris demanding investigations.
And threatening the IRS that they didn't investigate.
Why you don't have to be an Einstein to figure out the IRS is gonna respond and it did.
It played politics on -- scale we've never seen before we've had to -- abuses before.
But never on such a systematic scale and it came from the president and the amazing thing -- credit he didn't have to use secret meetings to do what he did it right out in public.
Is -- congress also be held accountable -- -- oversight responsibilities seems like is not to something has exploded they suddenly say oh my god something's going not.
There are lots -- -- and they sent letters but didn't move particularly fast.
No they didn't and we saw this before in the late 1990s when there was a round of scandals not on a scale -- we have today.
At but it took outside pressure outside scandals to bring about a real change and so congress does not have sadly effective oversight.
But that's one run another reason why you have to -- a special prosecutor yes the house side.
It's gonna pursue investigations but we know of number of senators are guilty.
And one senator Durbin of Illinois went on TV on fox last weekend and admitted that he did it and said he he was straightforward about it.
So congress can only do so much we need a special prosecutor to get to the whole thing we have a whole record.
I think it will go on the White House not just the IRS and then we can take real remedial action including a drastic downsizing of the IRS.
And being a compassionate conservative.
Even though these people partied on the taxpayer dime I've.
Be in favor of job retraining but they can't be in the positions they're in today this thing has got to go.
Steve thank you thank you.