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Fighting back after being singled out by the IRS.
What is intolerable is to have one set -- rules for one side of the political fight in another set of rules for another since may 2011.
I've been dormant not only out of the inability to raise money but out of abject fear that the government had a target on my back.
I want to protect and preserve the America that I grew up in.
The America that people cross oceans and risked their lives to become a part of and I'm terrified.
It is slipping away.
Leaders of conservative groups testifying and how -- IRS went after them the agency is supposed to follow the money and the rule of law.
But did those victims just prove the tax man -- playing politics.
Hi everybody so good to be -- you this morning on this McDonald in for David Asman.
Welcome to ports on fox let's go into focus that Steve Forbes Rick Unger Jun ten Nate Morgan brand and build ultimate and Sabrina Schaeffer -- what do you think.
Obviously it's politics they went after those organizations to make sure they didn't participate in the 2012 elections they went far beyond just doing a routine audit they did not target liberal groups and this is gonna end up in Washington Elizabeth and it's gonna have a special prosecutor it's going to be as big as Watergate this is bad stop.
Just wasn't a handful of enemies this was anyone who put their head above the.
Well there may be politics at play but where -- -- we -- I have to take some exception is saying it's going to end up in Washington I'm a little little fashion about this.
I actually think that he's -- the evidence before you convict somebody so far there has been absolutely no evidence that even puts in the lower levels -- Washington.
Let alone the people that you might want to -- get tagged with that so Sabrina.
It just -- it's just today on actually yesterday Friday.
There is send report out that actually there is evidence that the IRS was dictating what was going on Cincinnati.
Reuters is reporting that the -- Cincinnati workers saying that yes the IRS was telling them in DC what to do what do you think.
I actually think that there's going to we're gonna see more evidence coming out because this is not about the rule of -- this is about the Obama administration trying to control the flow of information and I'm sensing a pattern here.
Between IRS scandal between that media tracking scandal within an -- now -- spying on average Americans.
I'm this is and this is an administration that wants to control the flow of information and and it suddenly coming to a head here at the IRS scandal and I couldn't agree with Steve -- about us.
You know Morgan and here's the deal let me conservative groups yeah of course they have to be their questions like everybody else but they weren't -- like everybody else.
They were basically asked about their books that they're reading the meetings are donors which could put it's still in donations -- future jobs.
And ten Democrats had pressured the IRS do more senators Levin.
Sarah levens said basically why is Paris being so passive and Al Franken and Schumer threatened the IRS that legislation -- they didn't act go ahead.
Yeah I don't mean.
-- the political issue how can not -- a political issue for northern reasoning you're talking about tax exempt status for -- organizations that identified themselves politically.
Whether this is that you know one sided witch -- just how far back to Washington this -- I think a lot of that remains to be seen.
I think I think it's rather unfortunate because the bigger issue here for me.
Is the fact that by the once he's had -- an area you know of Mer is a very murky.
Super secretive area for allegedly for campaign funding which is whether -- not supposed to be which is what their primary purpose is not supposed to be I think all of that's getting clouded over.
On the -- party Democrat at the democratic liberal conservative all of that's getting crowded over by -- -- I think you'll put.
They let our regulation and -- seat while attending C words like progressive or more moveon.org.
The -- at the at any citizens keywords the IRS is using.
To target groups and no liberal witnesses were presented.
A progressive group witnesses were present at the house ways and means hearing right -- Of course not because this is political people are realizing that people act in their self interest in the private sector that means that businesses give us what we want in terms of products and services.
When it comes to the government.
An entity that's unaccountable it's not like by certain outside groups they are going to investigate those groups and so I think the IRS's actions are scandalous but the -- scandal here.
To me is that the IRS exists to begin a -- Aren't we do have an interview that that's -- -- -- just that but I do.
Do you want to turn back to the witnesses who one of the witnesses who testified this week I think we have a stand by let's take -- -- Maybe -- were coming down hard on you guys because so many of you were applying to this status of the same time.
That's their argument what do you say in response.
Well there were as many progressive groups or even possibly more progressive groups and they weren't being.
Looked at as closely as we work they'll -- and what do you make of that.
You know I think these complain it's gonna save themselves a lot of grief and they've just been Smart enough to take the word Tea Party out of their applications.
And put it kind of -- paying half -- they call themselves coalition.
For health care outreach.
If they had call themselves Americans for big government that would have been -- -- go to them whatever they wanted to do the bigger scandal -- has nothing to do with seaport the big scandal.
Is C three -- the ones where you can get a tax deduction for giving them money.
All right and the scandal is that overtly partisan groups set up.
Semi autonomous C three's -- foundations called education and get these tax deductible donation.
The problem in the U I don't care who they think Apple's let me cite two examples quickly your club does this the so you -- -- -- -- on both sides of the political I'll steep but we have to go back to what was going on -- 2010 in the context the president.
Was base of this claim enough foreign operatives are pouring into the nonprofit sector and basically getting -- and cells involved in in the US election system what do you make of that.
Well clearly it goes right to the top and I think was terribly stress on the Wall Street Journal pointed out weeks ago.
This wasn't something surreptitious this was done right out in the open the president there with a megaphone saying go after these people in case the -- get -- -- ten US senators wrote letters saying.
Come right in on this.
-- was purely political one sided and it's -- liken -- an ink blot it just goes wider and wider and wider like.
Watergate Rick what do you make -- -- senator Carl Levin -- hang on we'll get to second Sabrina the senator Carl Levin Rick's saying to the IRS.
You're being too passive you're in response to this issue -- unsatisfactory.
And senator Schumer and Al Franken another saying we're gonna.
Pass legislation if we don't respond the way we want to have.
What I make him in his if that's what they did and there is some evidence that they did there -- -- -- okay then.
Take it out with them but to say it's clear it goes right to the -- meeting President Obama.
I'm sorry but it's not in any way clear because there hasn't been a shred of evidence that indicates that come on let's stop at the prop again.
Don't use it as propaganda -- by the way the president actually remove the leader of an -- commission head.
And actually you know we have a DOJ criminal probe into Britain wasn't issue why weren't we doing that yeah he was involved.
Because it gets hit to such a high level that you have to have the DOJ to -- go ahead Sabrina.
Yeah this is this is so politically motivated and you look at if it weren't for the Tea Party Republicans Hollywood not had the landslide victory that they did during the 2010 mid terms.
And there's no doubt -- operatives in the White House who are looking -- when he fourteen in thinking we need to muzzle these conservatives now.
And it if it's a case that Citizens United actually increase the volume at C -- to -- -- -- -- one and I.
Hope that this this.
-- the conversation doesn't sort of you know it's -- all C threes but if it if it's a case that we have an increase in seat agencies boards and we need a standardized transparent system okay where we -- ran my subset.
Of applications we cannot be targeting specific groups like -- -- we got to leave it there.
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