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Now increasingly we see that it's happening domestically.
And to do that stay.
DN -- specifically.
Targets the communications of everyone in ingests them by default.
It collects them -- that system and it filters and and it analyzes -- -- measures and in its stores them.
For periods of time.
Some extraordinary detail from an SE leaker -- snowed in telling the guardian about the scope and NSA surveillance programs.
-- -- -- in a high ranking official he worked for our government contractors still get access to all that classified material raising some new questions about the security.
However in nations secrets.
According to the office the Director of National Intelligence nearly five million people hold government or military security clearance.
With one point four million having access to top secret material.
And there's a whole lot of that kind of information out there in the Washington Post reports that since 9/11.
There are more than thirty secure complex is constructed -- to hold the classified intelligence.
Into the Washington area and that they occupy.
Get this the equivalent.
-- almost three pentagon says how big they are.
And nearly 2000 private companies work on programs related to counter terrorism related to Homeland Security related to intelligence.
And about 101000 locations across the country joining us now Mike Baker he's a former CIA Covert operations officer is -- -- president.
I'm diligent -- -- C a global intelligence and security firm in just to be clear Mike -- and I think global intelligence and security firm all of a sudden I'm.
-- wondering what category you fall and so are you are you one -- that government contractors.
No we're not we don't we don't do any federal marketing we made a decision a while back quite a while back.
Not to chase government contracts so all our work is in the in the private sector.
Okay is going to be clear on that because you drop on your experience so much in this area including with your work with the CIA -- To take hits in a little bit how -- in our.
These contractors that are working on -- national intelligence and have some of these these clearances that give them access -- classified information.
Right I mean with the the the contractors -- provide the support whether it's technical supporter or you know any other assistance.
You know they're they're very important overall because our force multiplier.
We we just don't have Intel community and and the others involved -- national security homeland defense just don't have enough people internally in ours as is staffers government employees.
To do do the work that needs to be done particularly when you're talking about again on the technology side.
The interesting thing here would would would this would -- Snowden as people say well how does somebody like this -- low level you know I keep personal level -- computer maintenance guy.
How did he have access -- information and the interesting point here is that since 9/11.
You know would that that hue and cry to say you guys have to talk more -- each other meaning the Intel community law enforcement of -- half.
Have to share your information you have to talk that was what that was that was the mantra.
That you create a system where now sharing over the past that decade plus the sharing of that information is more important.
Then the protection in compartmentalization.
Of that information.
And that's what's created the opportunity for these these individuals whether -- Bradley Manning -- weather now it snowed and to have access to very large large pots of information.
To be held if they make that decision do you walk adopted the.
Well you know the argument that Mike is that one of the reasons 9/11 happened -- say it because there wasn't that sharing that was going on.
And that actually is -- huge danger sense suggests you.
To our national security now the argument against that.
Is big government and whether or not we want to share all this and and have all these different agencies and all these different contractors.
And whether or not quantity.
Equals quality so -- when you say this is a force lots of fire where these contractors are important.
Are you arguing for -- for big government for our national security.
Well no what I'm saying is is because I I agree we tonight I'm I'm very concerned with sort of there's this notion of overreach I understand why people.
Are played on on on whether the surface upset about defected -- -- -- is is apparently collecting on millions of people far beyond what the business records aspect of Patriot Act would imply.
I understand why people would look at what's -- is doing now this information saying well -- I applaud that because I think we need to expose you know what the government's doing I understand all of that.
But what I'm saying is that.
You you you can't have what we got the other it's like -- it's likely that connection between privacy and security.
More security means less privacy more privacy means less security does it say when we're talking about how.
Well it has to yes there's there's even even President Obama -- when he was it taking you know swings it at the bush administration and in the early days as he was running for office.
He talked about this this -- -- deal between you know less secure or less privacy for more security -- he's come full circle now and then in recent days he's talked about how in the wake of the NSA -- how well you know we have to give up certain you know you know privacy issues in -- for maintaining security so he's come full circle on this.
But if you create a system.
Where if you're saying the sharing of information.
-- is the key that's the holy Grail all -- sharing information by definition.
What you're doing is you're creating far more people you're you're developing the access perform more people to be able to get to that information that's just.
The president look there's a -- it's a reality -- -- to the final question that because of some of the things attendants and -- Instantly could provoke a lot of -- one of the things he said in his interviews.
If I wanted to see your emails or your wife's phone all I have to do is use inner staff thinking get your emails your -- phone records or credit cards.
If he goes on to say you will never be safe -- protections -- put in place and so might respond directly to that again hot copy your expertise.
How how safe -- -- well now how safe is our privacy today.
-- it's a great question and it and it really does need to be.
You know -- front and center in all of this you're always gonna have an individual like a -- else noticed is is he's over blowing his.
His access and -- importance by this individual you know he's not -- -- authorities he's not you know it'd doctor difference martz might children's favorite villain.
But he was.
Able to access information like again like a Bradley Manning because of the structure that we've set up now.
Can that be abused in a bigger way because the government continues to expand its ability to collect information well yes so what's the answer well the answer is.
You know exacting.
And congressional oversight making sure that that's where we have the controls over how the government grows and what they're able to -- it's not applauding a -- You know -- just like anybody else who -- -- -- saying they're you know they're going to have access to customer information if they leaked that information they need to be punished the song I wanna be Clara posture.
Well that you know not that you -- It's at this -- broader conversation I can hope you come back to happen because we like about congressional oversight now with everything has happened over the last few weeks a lot of reviewers -- thinking women.
Can I trust the lawmakers to what about the people that -- oversight what about and so they're certainly is a crisis of confidence it's happening that there's not larger conversation so.
Please come back for that in -- meantime thank you so much for your expertise or is great to go to U.
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