Power Play 6/10/2013
Government surveillance leaker on the run. Will Obama sell surveillance? Plus - the future of the Libertarian moment.
Jun 10, 2013
Bob Cusack;brian Donahue;david Mercer
Government surveillance leaker on the run. Will Obama sell surveillance? Plus - the future of the Libertarian moment.
Jun 10, 2013
Bob Cusack;brian Donahue;david Mercer
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He recognized that some of these things are actually abuses and when you talk to people about them.
Hot in a place like this where.
This is the the normal state of business.
People tend not to take them very seriously and you know move on from them.
-- -- and himself Edward Snowden a former CIA analyst turned analyst for.
NSA contractor Booz Allen Hamilton that was in an interview with Glenn Greenwald and Laura.
Of the guardian and this is power play and -- and Chris -- at all and how is it that at 29 year old.
High school drop out in an employee of a government contractor.
Was able to get his hands.
On enough information and disseminate enough information.
To cause what is -- -- worldwide.
About the government's eavesdropping.
And spying upon us its citizens.
We will explore that in many ways that.
But to do that the right way.
To do it the right way.
We need to know what in the heck is going on and what the technical the technical side of all of this is and fortunately.
And please consider this many days.
Here in Washington bureau Fox News we have with us chief intelligence correspondent for the Catherine -- And that both meanings of that word in your case stand now cancer and how did he do this.
-- -- The head of IT in any corporation who's charged with keeping the system up and running they have access to all of the information in the system even if for example.
They're not a news organization in the not -- in the news every day so get a masters yeah that's exactly he -- -- clearance he was able to see what was coming and going.
Do the -- document which -- is meat pies is the court order.
I I'm trying to understand why he would have access to that in any -- he seems to.
-- and it was through that clears Booz Allen Hamilton that he was able to get on to this.
It's I think.
For many Americans it was one thing to think of this in the abstract right that it was like well we assume that they're looking at a lot of stuff.
But then when it becomes material in the personnel become material and the fact that somebody who is not.
James Bond but is an employee of a government contractor.
As this kind of -- what do we know about mr.
-- Snowden is 29 years old everything comes from the -- curry interview he was.
Working within the intelligence community for now four years.
-- rules as a contractor in his last job.
It's with Booz Allen Hamilton speaks to why he's not gonna -- Yeah.
And -- that.
Three for weeks ago he kind of set.
What was is clearly premeditated.
Plane into the -- documents into motion -- he was in the office he copied the final documents into at least.
Anti to a supervisor he needs some time off from medical issues -- -- suffers from seizures and he went to China.
Of all places discussed maybe a little bit later this -- of it right.
Quite literally a little red flag but you see what I spoke with some former Tennessee officials this morning news and now that -- himself.
With the and is able to as they welcome back into the system and it -- -- his history at terminal every program every document that he touched it as you know.
But so what's so what's coming next and -- leaks and then they can go back in in effect use the data.
From the systems that he is complaining about to turn it on well -- he set out.
It's like he has accepted the fact and -- maybe it's easier to do an abstract then in the specific that he's accepted the fact that in all likelihood.
Is his days as a free man.
Are -- over and that he he says he's willing basically to martyr himself in to the cause.
One assumes that the federal government will give him an opportunity to do that.
Well the the wheels are already in motion for this criminal investigation.
I have displeased that the fact that he went to China certainly.
Just on its face has my attention.
Because there are many countries that he could have chosen to go to we have an extradition treaty with Hong Kong.
But this gives the Chinese and extremely powerful card.
Right and has and as we staff and -- about human rights violations in China.
It is -- but you wonder how the discussion between the president and the Chinese president went over the weekend.
I'm gonna bring up human rights now nevermind I'm not gonna bring it human rights because I did you you have in your country somebody who says that we're spying on every single.
And I think fit if if we can just for a minute I think it's important to explain to people how in fact these systems if you -- it -- works.
This this meta data that they keep talking about I think the best analogy.
Is that it's like a letter that you get in January mailbox at home it's -- an actress on it you know who it's from -- You know how -- -- to get to hear what you just don't know is the contents in fact when you analyze this meta data that's far more revealing about who you are because it shows.
Your entire universe -- contacts also shows that the -- that this relationship is based on.
How -- -- in contact with -- and how long you're talking to them.
And it's once this data is analyzed that it decision can be made to drilled down into the contents.
It's been saying he can go to -- court if it if it's an American citizen.
But really on its face the question is should the government be collecting information about individuals -- kind of like as a pre crime.
Brett is they don't know do you now see me needed in the future to go back and and one of one of the problems with this kind of analysis is that.
It creates a digital.
Fingerprint -- footprint for you which is not necessarily reflective.
Of York who looked -- the kind of say sit I go to.
You could make draw the conclusion that I an interest in becoming an al-Qaeda terrorists you know I'm just researching the Clinton.
So -- that's delegates until every point York and today we're not sure enough but so it's like this.
Defenders of this program defenders of this that it is began.
Carefully maintained that there is oversight that this is a meticulous kind of thing we've heard from Democrats.
That there is oversight and that abuses don't take place because there is sufficient.
Over just jump in the -- people who have sad that this adequate oversight are the very people whose job is to oversee this program.
So Dianne Feinstein Mike Rogers they have a vested interest in seeing that there is adequate oversight I'm more interested.
In people like James Sensenbrenner who were the architects of the Patriot Act who say.
I helped break this thing and this is not what it was designed to do this is an overly broad interpretation of the law.
Catherine Herridge is reporting on al-Qaeda not -- it and should I can't think -- is just declare I.
I it really just to -- to the folks at the NSA she is not looking to join.
But we're so glad that you -- -- is use market -- up okay now Internet now that we know what's what.
Let's talk about what the consequences.
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If people NSA the government knew that you really like Broadway musicals and and those kind of dance numbers and -- you can watch on television and nobody knows but.
Tweeting or chat about it maybe somebody knows maybe they're tracking you maybe they know that -- like.
Song dance routines.
And what about that what about.
What are the political consequences of this and -- excuse for putting on.
Last night's Tony Awards but he's he's managing editor of the film.
That is the publication that big picture of Hillary Clinton looking like she's trying to see over the -- if -- indeed the look issue.
Bob is also a member of this screen -- history and it is back and you -- I cannot dance and not much but factory there.
About thirty movies and you could see in about four really blurring the background my biggest goal is Pampers baby and then -- and -- -- straight down to sense that OK well if you grow a terrible Beers.
You can play.
These cinematic adaptation.
His life -- -- Aren't so here's the question now.
Did you know that -- account that it who knows he's one for one as far.
From what -- wrote a column and it's available to those of you who -- on Twitter at cease fire -- It poses this question.
President Obama -- going to talk about equal pay act he's going to talk about stuff.
He's disinterested in.
Green energy he is it -- immigration is -- -- many things.
But is he going to sell the need for this domestic surveillance stuff because what he seems to do and we have two good examples of this one is the war in Afghanistan.
Which he doubly.
And then just -- -- said.
Well we'll see what happens and then didn't talk about it much -- give a speech at West Point in 2009 and then after that it was sort know where it's bill.
Or on the drone war.
Where he never really went out and made the full throated defense on the ground warfare is he ever gonna go out and say.
We need the power to spy on you because the threat from Islamist militants -- so real that we've got to do it.
I I think that's trouble for him because that's trouble from the left and he's taken some real arrows in the back from the left here you know people like Michael Moore.
This is a problem for him and me.
His approval ratings have never dipped significantly.
Because he's always -- the base with him for the most part they've been upset with him prove what he's done and I came out -- In 2012 I think this is a lot more difficult for him to investigate that 7000 word -- speech we were still trying to figure out what he meant because -- -- -- drone strikes several days later.
Know what it meant is that is that don't blame me man that's what he meant -- -- it don't blame me.
Eddie also says it was going to be out of Afghanistan -- a lot of doubts it in it doesn't -- a lot of doubts about that.
So I think it's you know -- last week you talked about obamacare.
And notably listening until he got to the -- -- -- Right and by the way and they basically it's the -- -- by the way I wrote today.
He said now the NSA program as I discussed when he's appearing here with what had to be a laughing on the inside president -- of China.
I'd like -- president cod but that's my western bias but.
Meeting with president G.
And and you know that she is looking at a mosque.
You enjoy this company you enjoy this -- that's right have fun with this but.
It's a very limited issue I think for most Americans it's not limited issue this is -- this is a central issue it's a huge deal.
It's it's a huge deal especially because now there's a face of the -- he's quite good position.
And how does does Obama go after him and they have to go after him because he broke.
They got they got up and let it go for a million years ago for a -- but the -- all of a sudden becoming a cult hero.
They're gonna -- -- -- whatever this guy ever did wrong -- -- 29 years you're gonna get to find out about because they liquidate real quick because he needs to be not just caught and punished in order to preserve that this level but also.
Discredited he can't just be.
Because he's stopped himself that is.
You know this die out -- looking you know the the last honest man and it's.
Is that they're gonna say well really you were a gambling addict with that evidence and your spelling and -- state secrets to China.
And all that.
He's taking as seen states in saint Obama broke promises and that's why I'm going public here because -- -- all right so what the president.
Seems to want to do.
And there's good reason to think it work.
Is let the Republicans but this.
To say hey Bill Kristol and Pete and Pete king.
You go fight with Rand Paul and Ted Cruz.
You -- say hey John McCain you go at it.
With the libertarians in your party I'm -- -- that someone move and talk about birth control and women's pay yet.
And let the Republicans -- that and if you took -- the end of the headlines over the weekend seems to be working.
Republicans divided yes I saw on the New York Times from -- that Republicans divided and I thought that the guy who's the president.
With the campaigning against this and now with the doing it -- it yet so he he may be able to get away with this as he did on Afghanistan and other issues -- to let the Republicans fight it out and stand.
It it is means unique it Lindsey Graham and and and Republicans like peeking at giving the president cover I don't think it is Smart for the way past it to.
-- -- at a press conference on Edwards note I just at this point.
He's wearing a white.
And and until we can say is that black and and write -- -- maybe turns against -- I think that's exactly what they're gonna -- and they'll avoid the topic as much as.
-- Michael Moore.
Bless his heart.
Is not adequate to bring it -- pressure of the base down on -- Glenn Greenwald Michael Moore and company who have been out there are singing this song before.
It's going to be when people like -- why do you and other.
Ranking actual kinds of Democrat starts with the pressure on about it is that likely to happen.
You know we've seen a little bit of it was senator Jeff -- Lee has been on shows saying that Obama has not been transparent and a lot of members of congress you know it is from a lot -- -- -- -- -- -- I know everything I.
I wasn't briefed on that program and now our intelligence.
Can -- -- -- as they couldn't -- any point.
So I do think that this is mean he's egos involved on what health aching well it's a human.
I think this is their time.
And the reason why -- on these shows because they're eaten up the last clause and they don't like this active you know.
George W Obama -- that trending on Twitter that's.
It's it's a problem but.
I -- I just months months that they figure they can wait this that they that they can dig in and yes they'll lose 12%.
Of the left left -- of the be conscientious far left.
That they'll lose them but for the rest of them they'll say.
Well better this than Rand Paul for goodness slightly better better this men that and that.
Yes I think that they steer away from this because in 24 -- probably talking about.
Obama care immigration those that tweet -- you let's just probably not going to be that Edwards known.
But the same time when you have cameras.
With Edwards knows what he's going to be taken away at some point there you know how is that gonna play -- I was administration going after him now -- -- working with Chinese Government you know Hong Kong officials its -- Look for the guy trying to book a direct flight.
From Hong Kong to -- it and that's the guy that's good guys get to the guys -- as -- watched I act.
Somebody's searching those flights and -- -- -- with a line beard it's not he's not just to Louisville Cardinals and he is.
The most infamous and celebrated simultaneously increments and celebrated -- and Bob last question for you.
What -- Hillary Clinton.
-- I think it's -- -- heat is -- beyond that he is going to be on because remember when Hillary Clinton ran against Obama for the most part dated at.
Any policy differences and actually health care main article was one of them and that was action in Obama can -- her she -- denounce or embrace I think.
Eventually -- she will say she would do it if she would do it.
That are the same but -- but only a little leap perfectly it's only shoot them just to -- but perfectly Bob Cusack.
You could not have been more divers hope that -- calls back.
Please play one of these days I don't know the difference I don't know okay.
Internet we're gonna take a quick break when we come -- analyst waiting in the wings to talk about people talk about 26 talk about all that good stuff now that you know the contours.
Let's get to scrap -- -- program.
Seeing all the Internet providers and all of a phone companies.
Ask your -- your customers to join me in a class action lawsuit if we get ten million Americans saying we don't want our phone records looked at.
Then maybe somebody a wake up and say things will change in Washington.
And that was Rand Paul who is senator from the commonwealth of Kentucky he was on -- Sunday with Chris Wallace.
Think you know what -- that congress does about all of this use dropping.
That he wants to lead in national class action lawsuit first time you'll see -- Republican presidential contender.
Get behind mass litigation.
That you'll see that he thinks he can get ten million more Americans to sign -- this to tell their service providers.
On line and -- don't.
-- -- -- -- In this -- What about that what about 2016 what about the libertarian moment what are the actual consequences.
So you know and are very -- I know from your tweets and other evidence.
David Mercer he is -- democratic strategist and former deputy national finance director for the democratic national commit tee he is probable eminently probable -- -- way.
Brian Donohue and addition to being a paid endorser of office -- to snacks -- -- low.
Is also a Republican strategist he's a partner at Kraft media digital.
And he's powerful eminently also not a Q okay Brian with certainty -- about the red team.
This fight that's going on right now inside the Republican Party we had Pete king.
On our error on the regular -- this morning.
Saying enough of this libertarian.
Gobbledygook it's time we got to recognize that these -- programs are serious and important.
And so as I was.
As retired the last segment you know rift in the GOP is already on the hot key insert set for the New York Times.
This is this could be a real fight.
-- -- -- Well.
I think it is.
-- a majority of Americans are concerned about the issues that are happening in our nation -- happening in Washington.
And do you libertarian causes at the forefront here when we have a government that's far overreaching.
That many people believe have become dangerous.
In his growth and its expensive business especially in light of this a government taking phone records Internet records those types of things.
The libertarian issues.
Or civil liberty issues.
Really are at the forefront here.
You guys don't all agree there is yours is strenuous disagreement from the likes of rain on you can -- Well amateurs necessarily strenuous I just think that a lot of people can't take care -- southern machinations -- today I think there's some strength really good business there down I have a question.
I have a question and David -- you may answer it or not -- the Pentagon after today.
-- not gonna come out and defend this he's gonna let Pete king and Republicans -- defend this because it's a lot easier to let the Republicans fight amongst themselves and have the president come out -- -- it -- now Michael -- and Glenn -- this stuff is very important.
And we should do it.
And I think that's what we see emerging now we sort of the -- out.
I do you think.
Snowden had mentioned himself in his interview that there may be consequences that he -- May have to face in the future.
Whether it's a tradition back here and so forth and and and corporate cities.
But at the same time I and that will be pursued by the administration.
But I -- The same time and -- we will not step on and -- what we see happening what you've.
Spoken of earlier which is a conflict.
In the Republican Party between it and it goes beyond Peter King to McCain.
Wins and were growing -- were holding out example.
Exempt its efforts and Peter king and and and in those -- vs.
What we heard from Rand Paul.
Which I'm not surprised to hear.
On and I think it echoes.
To an extent some of what we probably all -- feeling as to what degree.
Is our privacy.
Being challenged here.
And we -- -- know that it's keeping imbalance with CS national security interest but the same time now going overboard.
Where our privacy is in fact.
What it is over or my goodness.
What we're finding out it's -- -- -- students revelations this weekend.
What he's been doing over the last few weeks has been tremendous.
I'm not sure the administration has done -- nearly a good job to define.
Exactly what this means the average American.
And this is coming from -- that a purple jacket.
It is that is a privilege and he's got -- -- -- in the guy hit it a predator guy and a purple suit -- can tell you better go you know what's up are now Bryant.
The question is this for Republicans the red team has spent an awful lot of time trying to speak with -- Spanish accent in an effort to try to reach out to Latino voters.
And this would dictate that top line take away.
From 2012 with a photo you know we're -- with its -- but if you Parse the data another way it's young voters the real problem that the Republicans that is.
Is that they fall off a -- under forty.
They do great over fifty but the farther away you get from fortieth to disaster for your party.
This is an issue that resonates with young voters this matter who's been part of Barack Obama's success in 2008 are Republicans able to numbers this.
Absolutely I think so younger voters do not believe in a larger overreaching government -- -- certainly looking at that she chats right.
-- -- they want a fair playing field -- one opportunities over abundant shoot their parents.
Two generations before.
This is an excellent opportunity for young people to say this is a party that represents me.
And this -- released a report last week talking about.
With younger voters care about what they believe in in smaller government or libertarian approach is definitely something younger voters can attest I think you know that you.
Believed you believed it that eventually.
McCain and others will be -- I think it's down in the rumpus room.
And yet the Republican Party to go back and hew to the all right -- this -- I think it's gonna stage but for the most part status quo as it relates to national security.
But if if the Republicans really wanted young voters there might consider when July 1 interest rates are.
Crews are very hurt -- with them holding a trillion dollars in student loans that they will not let those -- real elaborate ask tiger he's got a -- Other segment he's gonna protest and I read -- aren't leaders are and thank you the -- -- purple live from the in the red state guy we thank you we thank you -- being with us.
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