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-- -- office after being elected as president 2008.
Barack Obama is change dot gov website spelled out his agenda on the protection of whistle blowers here's what -- said.
Often the best source of information about waste fraud and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out.
Such acts of courage and patriotism.
Which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars should be encouraged.
Rather than stifled.
My next guests were not encouraged when they tried to expose abuse in government they got fired.
Treated as criminals.
Thomas Drake is a former executive -- the National Security Agency.
He was charged under the Espionage Act after he blew the whistle on waste and illegal activity.
Just one rating is a former ethics advisor to the Department of Justice she's also whistle blower.
She's now the national security and human rights director at the government accountability project.
A leading whistleblower.
Thomas when he started.
The news broke that the agency you used to work for the NSA.
Was spying on its own citizens and collecting massive amounts of data everything from our phone calls and photos that we take on our -- -- -- How surprised were you at all.
You were not surprised now it's become routine we now have a systemic.
Institutionalize surveillance system.
And and so on an industrial scale.
This massive collection of data we're told don't worry about it nobody's actually looking at all that stuff how confident are you that nobody.
Is looking -- let me ask you this can they look at it if they just wanted to Wanda yes because they've collected that.
So it's collected it's stored if somebody wants to say what a 10 Mike Huckabee he's been to -- lately they can find that out.
Extremely tempting to do so especially when you have.
Access so all that kind of information about everything about you and your entire life and -- an index of your.
Digital life and who can keep someone from going in and looking at those spots.
Right now there's no controls at all to speak of this all -- secret any of the controls they talk about our own secret to not available for public review or debate.
Now you blew the whistle on things you saw in the NSA that you thought -- going haywire.
You were charged now with espionage.
He is the president said that you should be a hero you should be rewarded for that.
He -- that in 2008 as a campaign platform for years later campaign platform touted boasted about the number of sleepers whistle blowers in truth those who have gone after.
More so than all other administrations come -- how is it affected you obviously you know you lost your job.
What what's it done to your career turned it upside down inside out.
How long are you with the NSA I was it is different 20011.
Two dollars on eleven -- -- in 2008.
And what's what of the job prospects in this tough economy but for guided blew the whistle on the NSA that ought to be a hero the president said we ought to reward you tell me your reward.
Operas -- -- -- blacklisted you can't find a job in the government because they charged with astronauts.
-- on -- on -- ask you about your case you advise the Justice Department in the John Walker -- American Taliban case.
You thought he his rights were being abused.
Did that get you applause from your superiors.
And it didn't get any reaction at first they agreed with my analysis initially obviously any American and who's being subject to that.
It's really nice clear -- on you you would advise the because he had counsel them.
That any interrogation.
Had to require that his counsel be present and in fact I learned that the civics class in the ninth grade.
So that's what you said this guy has that was his counsel present when he was interrogated.
No I hit it biased that on Friday and then I came in on Monday and the criminal section told me who.
The FBI interrogated him anyway what should we do now.
And at that point I advised that the interrogation information needed to be sealed and they were welcome to use it for national security.
And intelligence gathering but not for criminal prosecution.
Of course it went ahead and used for criminal prosecution and so you objected to that and what happen.
I eight I eight discover -- inadvertently discovered that there was a court order.
For all Justice Department correspondence related to his interrogation.
And when I went to check the file of all the email siren that it had been hurt just.
So evidence in essence a -- -- the evidence that was destroyed yes that would be evidence and it did disappear.
I resurrected it from my computer archives -- -- -- a memo it's my boss.
And I attached to it and I said I have no idea why this was not around -- took home.
And me EIA give it to my boss resigned as secretary of what's going on and that could be a part of it had to come a copy in case it disappeared again and which evidently it -- and.
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