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The federal government has.
Five -- those who blew the whistle and it's rewarding those who are trying to cover it up Vincent sample Lou was a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.
He was the one who expose the fast and furious operation that sold guns to criminals in Mexico.
The former number two boss at ATF Todd Jones allegedly helped cover up the scandal.
He's been nominated by the president to direct the agency and he's got a confirmation hearings scheduled later this month.
Joining me now is Vincent Cephalon.
-- this is just remarkable.
Stunning story you blew the whistle on fast and furious when it happened.
What was the result of that where you thanked for telling the truth in coming forward and explaining.
What a horrible fiasco this was.
The there was many that came forward in concert with my actions.
Hum hoping that change the culture and -- bureau -- and stopped.
Culture of fear and intimidation en route along the right along lions.
Everyone -- have been punished suffered great personal and professional.
Damage is and that continues to this day.
That's -- you've been a career guy with the ATF now the interesting thing is you're still on the payroll is that correct.
That is correct -- they they had and actually got review but what do they have you doing for them now.
I haven't gotten rid of me not for lack of trying.
Currently I'm assigned it -- his senior operations officer for the San Francisco field division.
Perform the duties from my residence while the government fights the government.
Over the outcome of the proposed actions they've tried to take against.
Now they did fire you at one time in and realize they really didn't have any basis they reinstated you.
But they have you doing basically nothing is that correct.
That is absolutely correct.
I'm sitting waiting for.
Lawyers to figure out how they're getting them back out of this situation.
You know -- and I think about this -- taxpayers are paying your salary did ATF doesn't want you to do any thing.
They obviously probably don't want to talking to me either on national television.
But I appreciate your willingness to come forward.
You risk your career you've had a good career -- I've read things about you from your peers.
Who say -- one of the best toughest most fearless agents ATF had.
What's this done to your career your life but what's happened to -- Well it's devastated obviously me personally.
My family that's point -- Wanamaker is.
Is not just the -- -- the people who step forward.
Try to correct or are right the -- was.
The family suffer.
-- it's this whole failure of accountability that is just mind boggling.
And and how the attorneys and government.
Supports this kind of conduct I don't know how they expected changed.
'cause fear and the Arab fear -- reprisal when they continue doing it.
Todd Jones was a supervisor Ed ATF he's now up to be the head of ATF is hearing what we happenings in the president has a lot of confidence and should we be concerned that here's a guy who knew about fast and furious.
According to many sources including you help cover it up now he's gonna lead the agency.
Was not just that issue I mean he came in at the end of it clearly he was handed -- mass.
That is more important than what he's done since he's been our acting director.
And the amplified -- of fear in retaliation.
Com and that the issues that have continued.
To this day the the attacks on agents.
And there's no federal safe to people the -- the government attorneys who were supposed to be that.
Pat that -- save for that second set eyes.
Are continuing to protect corruption.
And mismanagement and that it's not gonna change as long as he's managers don't ever face accountability.
Jessica you're an attorney in the Department of Justice how how shocked are you when you hear what Vince has to say about his own situation and ATF.
Well since I've been a whistle blower attorney I am not shocked and -- at all it's actually quite typical.
That you were forced from your job your security clearance just pulled off -- -- referred for mental examination.
In -- you know you're no longer pulling in in content and at the same -- racking up legal fees because you've probably gotten a lawyer.
Or some people like -- -- put into it -- transferred to U.
At that what we called the paper cup stacking position in your office where you're -- you're doing nothing.
And I still on the government payroll I've represented people -- been in that situation for years.
At bite to eat it really.
It does ruin your life and it does completely -- your career for example lists people in his position need is security clearance in order to work for the government should.
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