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Some have -- I think somewhat cavalierly.
That in these difficult times we have to accept some reduction in our civil liberties in order to be secure if we live in a country that allow the government to open your mail.
Eavesdrop on your phone conversations.
Or interceptor inmate -- communications that country would not be America.
Preserving our freedom.
As one of the main reasons that we are now engaged in this new war on terrorism.
We will lose that war without firing a shot.
If we sacrifice the liberties of the American people.
For Wisconsin senator -- Democrat.
Russ Feingold back in October of 2001 he was the only senator vote against the Patriot Act.
President Obama then state Senator Obama in 2001 had this to say I'm always more concerned about the encroachment.
On civil rights or civil liberties that -- selectively to people when they apply to everybody pretends to be sort of a majora Terry and check.
When we come to the wiretap provisions for example of those -- start encroaching too much on people's privacy.
The average person everybody starts griping and complaining back with a -- -- insurance.
This is the Rand Paul an argument made it this weekend on on FOX News Sunday what about the politics.
Well I think there's a lot of outrage and I think part of the reason is.
That whereas I think a lot of Americans would save themselves if it's controlled defeats.
If if the courts -- -- -- -- in congress who would be okay.
But there's been a huge lack of trust in the government as a result.
Of this happening precisely right after a couple of scandals.
That your administration that you cannot trust the IRS and people -- the IRS and they know -- power but they accepted.
On the assumption that it will deal even handedly.
Did you get an IRS scandal in which it is clear that -- after.
People as a as a as a product of their political beliefs.
A sacred notion in the United States that's a huge abuse do you get -- -- pursuit of James Rosen fox reporter.
Who is singled out and the Justice Department lies essentially.
To a judge and pretending he might be a criminal co conspirator as a way to get into his email.
And you wonder of DOJ and IRS are being abused as a political instrument.
How could you not abusing NSA so I think it's a function of where we are now if this had happened in the in the days after the inauguration of Obama in 2009.
It would have been a lot less of a story because.
People had trust in the Obama administration in the government and in and it and the government in general and that's what I think is lacking and it's poisoning the whole debate right.
Now -- it's a convergence of Democrats on the left libertarians.
On the right word.
Call it that would there have been more senators voted with Russ Russ Feingold against the Patriot Act.
Today now and I think.
This is what I think you earlier.
-- markings -- -- thinking about your question -- maybe you would get Warner to.
I certainly Rand Paul would join him right.
But in fact you would not get the majority to do away with the program today.
I don't think there's anybody on the hill today and I was there who saw who was -- -- -- you know what let's get rid of the problem with have a vote because they know that the past is not there you have.
Dianne Feinstein Democrat head of senate intelligence joined.
Arm in arm with Mike Rogers head of house intelligence in thing they were briefed on this they knew about it they've tried to -- others on it.
They are aware of the fights a court you know to come to Jason's point about congressional oversight it's fully in place so I think what you come down to than is.
You have the politics playing out where.
You have people on the right.
Who were after the Obama administration and see this -- something you can -- into a series of scandals and -- evidence of government overreach and intrusion in our lives.
Again to make a case against President Obama.
But on its own merits I don't see it just a few minutes ago senator Feinstein.
Said that some of the things that Snowden -- that interview.
I didn't seem to match up seem farfetched and she said as far as.
The law if it can be changed in some way we're all for making better.
You can make fun of Obama for being hypocritical on this comparing his earlier statements to his.
Criticism of bush for using the same program but once you get that sort of thing out of your system that comes back down to is it legal and is -- working.
And I think right now based on what we know passes both of those -- separate didn't get concern I have -- -- That's it for the panel.
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