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-- rogue American Intel analyst at the center of what may be the most expansive Intel leak in the history of the United States.
Is on the -- right now in Hong Kong questions abound.
-- we try to break down who -- -- is what he gave away why he did it and what should happen to him.
Fascinating stuff folks let's start with who is -- Snowden.
-- as soon time my 29 years old -- Work for Booz Allen Hamilton as an infrastructure analyst for NSA.
Any analyst at any time can target any one any selector anywhere.
We're -- communications will be picked up depends on the range of the sensor networks and the authorities that that analysts is and power when it's not all analysts have the ability to target everything.
But I -- my desk certainly have the authorities to to wiretap anyone.
From did you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president if I had -- personally now.
And what made him decide to -- state secrets here is his explanation listen carefully.
Even if you're not doing anything wrong you're being watched and recorded and donated the storage capability of these systems increases every year.
By orders of magnitude.
To where it's getting to a point you don't have to have done anything wrong.
-- simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody even by a wrong call.
And then they can use -- system to go back in time and scrutinized every decision -- -- permitted every friend you've ever discussed something with.
And -- tax you on that basis to sort of derive suspicion.
From an innocent life and paint anyone in the context of a wronged or.
This is serious stuff listen to the Director of National Intelligence James clapper explain how dangerous he feels these leaks are.
I think we're very very concerned about it for me it is literally.
Not -- -- literally gut wrenching to see this happen.
Because of huge.
-- damage he does to our.
Well we don't know the scope of all this yet many questions still remain and need to be answered but let's go around the table with.
What we know so far.
-- trader -- national hero.
He kind of undermines the libertarian.
Hero part of it by going to China.
Asked the Fallon gong about that it's like going to Siberia.
For the ball the Summers are going to England for cuisine.
I am I I'm a terror can't react I'm like a hypochondriac but it's about terror.
-- whether it's three people dying or 3000 people die icy icy terror as the most important thing.
And essentially it's the world against the United States no -- gives a damn about us and what we do so with up to us.
To create a security that protects us -- as a libertarian.
I have an end of the world clause.
We are in a new world we're fighting people who want to blow the world up because they wanna go up there with 72 virgins.
If this is not Russia or the -- -- -- United States these are psychopaths who want to kill everybody.
In my mind that changes the game and even if there is some kind of violation.
In the data.
Which will inevitably happen because humans make mistake.
I don't think you throw the baby out with the bath water I hate that phrase -- -- humans will always make mistakes but it.
It doesn't invalidate.
Something that could.
That could project for prevent a nuclear.
Holocaust it's -- again -- -- out but I'm hearing you right you're leaning towards hero.
No I'm not so much I libertarians -- I've I've heard iPod hi I am our national here I am deliberate I said this before I'll repeat myself.
I am a libertarian but I have -- end of the world clause if he made it so that is less safe.
For America to continue into its future because no one gives a damn about the United States but the United States -- -- -- well.
I think it's interesting that he calls himself courageous -- seeing such a hero he was a bureaucrat.
Bergen for the government can you imagine that there was some sort of a hero like that working at the IRS that -- help let's get to the bottom.
Of that other scandal that we're doing with.
This a 29 year old guy.
I have no doubt that he felt that he had the best intentions.
They hit whatever he signs -- you look at his background with and we -- -- hardly knew anything about him.
He had -- to get claims that as you know -- that they're not they shouldn't be that easy to get but.
As this and as al-Qaeda and other terrorist decides that they're going to use these types of machines against a show in this spot right here.
There's more computer power in this phone and there was that and that in the rocket that went adamant that the shuttle -- as bishop of intimate so there you have against us and well I can say -- -- are in and I just want to know that -- At least I could be blocked out of -- -- and I am.
I'm not gonna say traitor but I want to know where my civil liberties could be violated as somebody who wants to be protected from terrorism I think our government was doing the right thing.
And that he violated that -- -- the hole went to taxpayer money.
And helped terrorists and it.
In an attempt to get -- for himself.
I take the option Jew -- he's going to be surprised I think that.
This guy -- Cooley who prosecuted.
He'll get -- you get extradited to be spent a lot of time in jail.
But I think he -- -- -- favorite regular press the fact is -- of all these millions and millions of records that have been monitored.
The very few of them have anything to do with terrorism and the idea that in this country.
Actually delve into your emails in your phone calls.
Not wire tetanus silly but delve into the -- the citizens of Britain and because you've made I think is a strikingly close.
Authoritarian rule that has no place in this country and no -- certainly -- our constitution.
How about a very well stated Bob it like that -- fall on this one.
-- to me it seems it's the end ends justify the means and the -- of laws meaningless.
And that's what I see you kind of taken that position here that this guy did have an affair by letting him now but.
Mean I I see it differently he ran from the consequences he will be prosecuted and treated.
As a criminal I'm not so certain that he did this for you know purely altruistic means I think -- he definitely.
Wanted to get you know some attention there is a -- component of it so you know I don't I don't see him as a hero in Nat and in my viewpoint.
I think -- pictures to your point the fact that he ran.
If he hadn't run.
That had undercuts the whistle blower accusation Iraq would want it.
Stand on principle you would want to go to jail you don't want to be serviced and a swanky hotel in China.
Maybe -- -- I would actually you know I am but but again and Atogwe a little bit later but that don't forget there is a fourth man.
That says unlawful.
-- unreasonable searches and seizures this would certainly in my opinion fall under.
Excessive -- -- which.
Nobody -- any -- saying that it's unlawful.
Now there's as unconstitutional though do you give -- the Fourth Amendment but if you look at the case Kimberly Smith vs Maryland -- settled in 1979 and that was the precedent setting case.
What they're doing at that as as the government has said.
There they had to come clean on -- and I did the -- listening on your phone calls for looking at all -- Astros -- data that the human mind can do my -- -- can do what we have to be right every single time they just have to be right once.
And I'd rather have this type of a program where they're looking for some sort of anomaly that issue and human beings aren't able to do this we have to use the machine the.
Let's listen to -- what type of access that that mr.
-- actually had -- that this guy was nothing more than a contractor for the US government listen.
I had access to you know two of the four officers and everyone working at the NSA the entire intelligence community coffee and undercover assets -- around the world the locations of every station now we have what their missions are and so forth.
If I had just wanted to harm the US -- you know that would have been.
You could shut down the surveillance system -- afternoon.
But that's not my intention.
So the so go ahead.
So I'm saying if -- a terrorist -- say you and I are gonna meet very soon I would take him.
I would torture him and get all the information and access to any of the files -- -- a -- your family does unless you cooperate.
And give us everything he's sitting there bragging fainted and he key strokes about -- -- obvious topic these at a putting arc.
National security and intelligence in jeopardy making himself a walking human target -- Also said he may have access or could find some key strokes.
Of the president of the United States are very concerned it is to get it doesn't it bother anybody that this is a somebody -- -- consultants to a consultant to the federal government.
The guy never got a high school.
The guy he was eight prison Arab League but security guard.
How is it to somebody like that is able to get anxious this guy and information.
Living in Hawaii if he can do it my guess is with the expansion of all the intelligence community infrastructure we put together sign eleven there are a lot of people out there that -- a lot -- Compromise I think that's a -- okay so you know after that got the after the IRS.
I don't trust anyone in this administration they live the way rabbits breed so it should corruption Eric -- validate something valuable.
If you had this program prior to 9/11.
And you knew that it could prevent nine elevenths would you say you don't want that program America -- -- say no no no but the difference here is that when you win you have the Patriot Act for example yeah.
You pinpoint you you have a suspect or group of suspects and you go after -- -- -- -- -- this this was a far.
Further over reaches will take every single phone call three billion yet as well that's the first thing people don't really -- -- -- respond to that nonsense.
You have when you when you grab all of this stuff yeah they you have to go get a subpoena and that you can look at it.
What what this is is basically what David Simon Says when he talks about covering -- community to set by drug dealers you have.
To actually get all these numbers and that you look at patterns so you can -- okay with just a -- surveillance surveillance program as this guy points out.
Could be expansive.
-- multiples what is right now where they can literally at some point is it in with you listen to this at some point.
Go back and listen to your conversation yes and go back tracked to find out if you get salad yeah.
Yeah that was that well that's my point is that they actually have to go jump through the legal the legal hoops to do that and it's actually pretty difficult.
Having said that like I said before.
There is always going to be abuses and the thing is do you do you get rid of something because there is a human.
Fallibility -- you'd have to look at police corruption decide we want the police department.
Capitalism is rife with corruption but we still believe it's the best system.
We know that we can not ourselves as human beings collect this data the only way to get every one of these companies to react together.
Is through the government and believe me I hate the government and I know the government will commit prop.
But -- you're you're talking about it's bordering on the civil liberties of Americans.
Yet sure how I'm talking about numbers look look look runways -- The the intelligence committee has proven itself to be.
Fairly confident many things they missed 9/11 those who have information that put together they -- the Fort Hood shooting brightness of Boston Marathon read now how.
How much of that is are we gonna take into account is we allow them to -- on our liberty.
Yet if I agree with you and that's why posed the question.
If this program could prevent something like 9/11 would you say I don't want it if you had up up person that was injured.
Get the Boston Marathon in the reception to prevent it would you have wanted that preventive.
Program the answer is yes.
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