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Gordon let's start with you you are an expert.
On the complex relationship between the United States China.
What do you make of the decision by mr.
Well what he's doing is everything that you would do if you're thinking of selling out your country to China.
You know most people try to escape the reach of Uncle Sam don't -- other jurisdictions that have extradition treaties with the US.
But I'll call does have such -- And -- escalates -- has set forth regarded as it.
-- -- went to Hong Kong because he believed that all caught was one of the few jurisdictions in the world that had -- the capability.
Have -- will to resist the United States.
At the same time he goes on the -- inside is that your view on the video -- says he tells us everything that he has to offer.
Which is yet to disclose the name of every person in the US intelligence community all of our forums station.
The purpose of all our missions and what we're doing abroad.
You know literally this is something that has got to be of the utmost concern to the United States I don't know it's.
And so is mine but clearly he's taking arbitrary steps to be arbitrator.
Going to do arguably.
Large first -- cyber threat to the United States and China.
Colonel Lleyton is significant.
Mock tank says this.
I'm not happy that the government looks bad I wanna -- -- government that they don't give us any reason to before we get mr.
snow and and what he might help China.
Question for you is.
It's reasonable for Americans not for -- this program isn't.
Sure when you look at the way in which the program was designed in the way in which Steve.
Couched it in public terms especially when you look at the PR perspective it's very bad.
But when you when you you what it was supposed to do when you actually explain it it's a little bit different and you -- -- the reality of excellence let's start with that the the basic idea Chris is that the these programs or it appeared to do data mining for the purposes of laying it digital landscape that's out there so when you detected anomaly in the digital landscape you can -- hey wait a second.
There's something going on here there's a problem and I need to figure out what that problem is it is nothing really more than that.
Now -- in order to get there you have a lot of preparatory work.
You have to to a lot of extensive things in order to understand what that landscape looks like the digital landscape.
But cannot do that.
Totally blind and you can't do that totally -- and that's what this program was designed to do it's designed to assist -- and other agencies.
In making this whole thing work and indeed keeping the -- -- come.
Intelligence collection capability out -- so that we can actually go after the.
Now and -- I'm I'm waiting to thank you gonna -- but I wanted to just wanna follow this up bricks Kim said earlier Brit -- and I had a disagreement earlier which was this.
I having taking a -- hillbilly like view with human nature.
I think that it is unlikely that this in nearly a decade is the first abuse that this bit of the belief that this is -- -- that the very first abuse of this.
There's a public revelation of the program.
What assurances do we have that there is accountability.
To protect us from abuse of other -- Sure the the -- the program works it has actual.
Rules and laws that govern.
So everybody who has access to information derived from the prison database.
Has to in essence signing agreements were we part of their classification agreement in theory they're -- security clearance process.
So wouldn't be -- have security recruit clearance requirements.
And then they have to make sure that they don't violate the privacy of American citizens without an extra -- they can't do it.
The internals of communications without those extra things.
For China as they look at this you have to imagine the president -- was enjoying the moment.
As you -- president about cyber acting.
And able to tell President Obama.
Oh and your sort of hacking your entire population so hot -- How far would they go do you suppose to recruit somebody with the knowledge of snow.
-- I don't go to anyway.
You know -- -- remember that China -- grains of sand approach what they do is they send out hundreds of people into the United States every month.
Asking for coming back -- -- a little piece of information.
So for instance how many cars cross -- particular bridge in Iowa.
Would be something that -- be insisted it well at their interest of the -- and of course there existed about the way these NSA works.
So I think that this is going to be something really that top level.
Beijing and right now but all of Europe and committee which is the effects of political power China -- -- decide.
David Stone and his laptop.
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