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This is also the same president who made all those grand promises.
Who signed legislation that says that an American citizen.
Can be arrested without charge.
Indefinitely detained incentive want to I don't know -- but he says oh I won't ever do it I don't intend to do it but he signed law giving himself that power.
So he he says a lot of good things and he sounds good.
But he doesn't really seem to mean anything that he says and that kind of hypocrisy -- why Americans are so fed up with Washington.
Well it's all he was.
-- it last night on Fox News Channel and this is our plight and and Chris spiral.
And the pressure on President Obama left and right is growing.
Over the program an -- that involves.
A broad net scooping up information about what Americans are doing so that.
-- that the counterterrorism folks can identify threats and disrupt them in advance we will talk Atlanta.
We will talk.
At length about political ramifications we will talk about -- itself.
We will talk about the immigration bill that it is now making its way -- its way forward in congress.
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-- -- I've thought about that I was gonna say I was gonna sit in 1984 cardinals but I thought that perhaps the Internet wouldn't it -- -- That was my team that was my.
So you're appeasement and well.
You spoke less -- -- -- about this.
As it relates nationals security.
In the -- of the program and all of that stuff.
We saw hole today.
That was conducted Q.
Pew center for.
And what they found was that Democrats deal.
In large numbers support this poll was taken before we knew as much as we.
-- -- -- -- but in large part Democrats expressed confidence.
In the program under President Obama do you expect that.
I think it will our forces and special teams.
To -- orders.
You know we started it.
This is one of these deals were pulling back those -- -- wrong with.
Our men and that is Republicans support this.
President like -- -- -- that Obama isn't sure.
To inventories that uses of Theodore -- this is a case of too often called shoe on the other foot disease which slipped below.
It is -- as -- foot and mouth disease.
That's that's different things now.
What we are starting to realize what you knew and what many before.
Was the room regardless of how intrusive.
The programs are these are vast undertakings to to do this kind of work requires a lot of human beings.
Requires a lot of bandwidth requires a lot of stuff.
And when we think about that center and you -- this giant data collection system people start to feel an easy.
That's a rational response right I think it's a -- It's worth keeping Condit if this -- -- being -- -- it -- -- -- special attention paid to certain groups.
Real small and literacy program.
With a certain political -- That's worse.
When news when everyone is -- -- bills to -- is Thursday.
Known as it is so cut and we know -- that the purpose of this program this is the one involving telephone call records -- opposed to a separate from -- do with it here.
What we now know about the program is that all every phone call by everybody everywhere in America.
Which is recorded a phone companies is that information is passed on to say which stores it in a giant data -- And in order for the -- to be accessed.
Our core is it Tuesday go to the size of court with a warrant that says we every reason to believe because.
We have a terrorist self -- cellphone we've captured who knows this terrorist -- anybody United States to set up to set -- an attack.
And then they can go search the database for that purpose they can't rummage around in -- at will at least not.
Legally at least not legally but neither legally can they take.
Information out of it and call Glenn Greenwald at the guardian.
And tell the tale right well what we have here is somebody who was under.
-- one under knows that this classified program would remain classified as refused to answer.
He broke windows right and he is being -- as some quarters as a hero but somehow the hero -- -- fit heroes.
He only do you -- -- information.
Land fled the country right.
And now his whereabouts -- unknown although he did come shortly so -- -- and go on television right his explanation seems to me Chris.
The abuses that -- claim user existence for him.
His explanation is vision date to the point of nonexistent right.
So he didn't really say did -- abuse and it's -- shoes on -- -- TN SA it's.
I don't think you've been abused for a really you know I think that I think -- could discuss disclosure of the program was an abuse of -- But you think this was that I mean it's clearly an abuse now proponents of this -- I would say it was heroic heroic acts now.
He's he's not exactly sir Thomas More he's not going to face his be -- he is on the land use and that that tends to.
When most heroes do not lose political whereabouts unknown right -- so so there there's that portion but.
I guess that.
-- -- dim view with human nature.
Tells me that if this abuse was possible that other abuses were honest but Chris you -- -- -- -- -- any program to go.
Every single department government as you think so as security ministries and innumerable others.
Have -- specimens of security administration -- -- figure out what what you earned all your life everything and they singular thing in the mail -- let -- know they know that just a reminder that we know exactly.
-- and think of of all information -- is the agencies.
Agencies its vast.
Then and if abused.
Yes but the record of it being abused by most government agencies so enough at all but most government agencies is pretty good have been pretty.
Read an event so security administration.
Instantly the -- -- Anybody who's been in existence since from what 81 years.
That's my thought of but this is it.
There's dozens of hysteria about this system it.
Well I guess it is just my of that nature I can't I can't help but I I I.
Take such a dim view thinking -- It.
Always I'm always ready to assume.
The worst about people but maybe -- this comes at a terrible moment.
This particular president the couple one.
This is -- and he campaigned against.
And instead of coming and eliminate programs.
-- you do we actually did.
Looked added to the audience.
In addition to that.
-- never told us he did send him.
You know his -- intelligence clapper goes down as a -- hearings of Stan is asked that specific question.
And says that this -- -- nothing -- this is happening.
He said he he looks at six -- -- Israel is this he says that he's dishonest at least untruthful -- could give yeah.
In other words it was it was sort of minor lie -- not not ideal what is he -- can't.
It's getting more -- is there a way to bring more transparency.
And assurance to the American public about programs like this without ruining them.
Well there's certainly no way to dismantled for -- Transparency.
To some extent possible weaknesses.
The -- so bad for awareness programs Lou for -- -- works of two point would be neutral which you don't do road map here enemies.
Only one way that you -- view on what their -- Are right now I might estimation of humankind has been -- Thanks mister Hume I will -- I will restrain my cynicism for the time.
I'm pretty good I think I think I thank you for that I will hold the door open for a Jeffersonian ideal.
We thank you mr.
-- we're being with us today -- There's something like fifty minutes it.
And we will we will.
-- and -- and bring it to you because my camera will be here after the break so stick around.
Administration's done what we can -- We've got members from my administration here who've done outstanding work over the past few years.
To try to.
Close up some of the gaps that exist in the system but.
The system still broke.
And to truly deal with this issue congress needs to act.
And that moment is now.
And -- act was.
Optimistic thinking I suppose from President Obama.
At the White House today exhorting.
Congress to move ahead on comprehensive changes to the nation's immigration law and this is power but now now we've discussed we've discussed how with Washington.
A choking on its collective tongue.
Over what's happening and everything from the Department of Justice the IRS part of health and human services and now.
We're we're yes we are being watched.
All of that stuff makes it harder two summon enough confidence in the government perhaps.
To expand immigration to change and make an expanding immigration system yes this is all true.
What about politics underneath all that what about politics and that.
That's why we know and trust Michael -- he is.
I believe the senior.
Are you the senior political analyst as they watch the Washington -- imminent we don't have a junior who I was gonna say who's who's the junior on -- -- used to I used to be the junior.
Senior political analyst at the Washington examiner.
A resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.
And and animating force shall -- say behind the almanac of American politics.
So Michael -- we -- How we do we're doing well.
Yeah welcome to your showing some Irish miss there with your pockets like there -- some rulers who -- little screen you bring it together yes -- these are sartorial.
The question is.
Right now are gnawing at each other's faces over this immigration legislation.
You could take Marco Rubio vs Jeff Sessions or any that these two wings of the party.
One side says rubio -- -- say look if we don't get this issue out of the way we're going to be so with Hispanic voters.
And if that's so then we will not be competitive in national elections going forward.
As demography -- and the same time there's this discussion about wiretapping which is an issue very important to an art surveillance.
Which is very important to young voters this is another area of opportunity theoretically for Republicans right.
-- the immigration bill I think there's something to the argument that Republicans need to.
Physically -- -- this I think really what Republicans need is this is -- just show a friendly attitude towards.
-- and I think they.
-- -- They present another image with Mitt Romney.
-- kind of cold.
Analytical views -- -- talked about self deportation which -- is going up.
It's -- fact but demographic fact it's not very friendly way to talk about the issue.
You know I think I think they need to change in attitude is it's much that you legislation Ian.
And they need to -- be more actively for those votes mean Romney campaign.
Colorado for example just didn't run Hispanic -- -- -- there was all this scurrilous charges coming in Spanish language ads from the Obama campaign.
Left that on defense that was clearly state.
-- -- -- per hour with 54% of the vote.
But he wasn't able to win because he -- -- Hispanics by 52 points 75 to 23 which is twice the march that.
Obama against John McCain that states so yeah they need to do so what better.
Surveillance -- I'm not sure how that plays with with with younger forwards we.
This is a generation that puts all sorts of information on FaceBook -- you know videos of them party well you know they're gonna regret that some time later.
Later years but.
I think they've never actually rather low expectations.
You know -- -- Google things Google.
Yeah yeah you know knows what the kind of things you like that's how who makes money they do affinity and they do -- money.
And I see things that are going to be OK with that stuff now you know it's.
That the overall polls show voters generally.
Not troubled by the revelations that we've had so far we got there from the -- racers in Washington Post poll.
I think in young voters.
-- with the majority they -- it distinctive group you know the way left him to write them had issues so.
I'm not sure that that's really big problem for them.
Now we'll have by the way by the way tomorrow Fox News -- out tomorrow on the same subject do you expect public good but what is your expectation for public opinion on this.
Do you see is is one of these stories that.
And we've seen this with the IRS and the Department of Justice.
As it more information becomes available and in the public -- mates in the story for a minute.
That you start to see the movement is it possible that that pupil was in the field too soon are.
It's possible -- was in there too soon it would revelations came on them.
When July we had the suspect's right at the phones HR six he had found stuffer urges six hits OnStar first.
That was sort of out there and then you add the next wave which was this prism program and then the identity -- So yeah I -- I don't expect it changed substantially I could be wrong on that I think that answers these questions particularly when you're dealing with things that people haven't given thought to -- long time.
But depend -- question were often in there can be very sensitive to question words that we should.
You know look at the questions and all -- these polls with the view towards.
You know you know when we try to analyze the results.
You know I think.
You one of the things -- interest in about the -- post Paul is the arm.
It -- with previous polls when Bush Administration was in office is that.
People of the president's party tend to approve of these things Republicans and Democrats now.
People with the other party are the ones that are likely to express outrage or -- opposition.
In that colors the poll but in both cases you have maturities.
In bigger majorities that the president's got for reelection in 2004 and 2012.
Basically saying yes for national security reasons -- we go along with that.
I think that Americans generally it our expectations for privacy are much different from what they wars in the 1980s.
Before the Internet got going before we putting credit card calls.
Credit card numbers -- -- -- our wish computers and send them off to somebody oversize.
I think that you know when we were debating immigration bill in 1986.
There was strong opposition on both the left of the right to a national identity card.
I think views are very different today.
I think that -- -- identity card.
Would be accepted by most Americans today.
It's 25 years ago it was -- We had this idea it was that TV show the fugitive the guy that goes away media just takes a different actors fears it takes into identity we want them.
You know -- -- the wilderness like uncle.
If I was I was gonna say -- to be fair that was sort of the idea that the country it got started on man and I think that's I think that's -- -- today -- -- I think you know we're anchored to work computers in our room credit card numbers and -- The recommendations that way -- cellphones -- -- and stuff.
We don't have that desire to leave anymore I think that's the difference in attitude and I think there's some polling data at least that tends to support that view.
That's -- others don't actually read the promise.
So here's what Greg tanks as great -- says.
There's still a lot to learn about what the NSA is doing.
That this -- a conversation that belongs in the public forum.
And that was today the point that Dana Milbank and others are making you wish to have an authority this enormous feud with captain Aaron -- enormous.
You'd better be engaged in discussion with the American people about it.
Well we can't you know we have legislation passed by congress here in 2007 -- 2000 and it's on the foreign intelligence or.
It's -- -- and so -- that -- bringing it up to date from the original 1970 or 79 legislation.
So there was an opportunity for debate at that time.
Know that they'll be more they'll be more as my protection.
And I hope they'll be more you -- -- what are you reading about -- well I think I'm gonna write about the I think it might question examiner column on Wednesday it will probably be looking at the surveillance issues.
-- and them.
You know with of -- my point of view is that.
You know we we we want citizens the secretary of state Henry Stimson in 1929 shut down our code breaking operations in the state departments that gentlemen don't look at other gentleman's -- I I think Edwards note -- -- that he -- spent most of the American people are not and it's darn good thing we were looking at breaking codes that World War II because that saves lives of many many thousands of them.
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-- service today.
You -- twice as this so that makes you the awesome John tutor.
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There but there is always there's always a little positive and in me -- that much.
So we thank you for staying with us for this segment and this full hour of power play excellence rolls on coming up next with a wonderful panel to discuss this question.
snow is -- -- hero.
Is he traitor or is he just a red flag about a system that may be in disrepair and talk about that when we come back since the current.
Comment specifically on an individual or his status.
When it comes to the petitions.
We obviously away.
-- threshold being crossed before we.
Respond to it and that threshold is nothing else.
With Jay Carney in response to reporter's question about a petition.
That is gathering electronic signatures at the White House website from President Obama to grant a -- and unconditional pardon.
-- -- of the leak the history making -- may be the biggest ever.
And this is powered by welcome back.
Now people who are patriotic Smart fair minded and all kinds of things people all of whom I hold -- in some pretty high esteem.
Have taken hugely different positions.
On what mr.
stone is you could ask Andrew Pollack I don't know he'd say the -- as a hero and deserves our protection.
Or you could some -- -- Ralph Peters.
Who said this guy should be shot so that's about as far apart.
As you can get on this subject so that's -- should we act now to make or at least make -- We can do that be it's an action.
Because we have -- budging here he's -- staff for the senate Republican conference former communications director for the speaker of the house.
He is Republican strategist.
You can hire him and stuff welcome.
Thank you for -- it's true.
He -- -- -- Garland Nixon he is a man of the left he is it radio talk show -- you hear and see.
-- -- Warmer law enforcement officer he's a Smart guy so -- while.
You can -- two you're just not available for hire like somebody get -- You hire -- I decide to run for office in Maryland and retire with dignity and it -- just -- -- keep it going we'll just keep it -- OK so here's a question what's it's Diane -- she is.
She's Democrat you know where she said this I don't look at this is being whistle blower I think it's an act trees.
And as I said the calls for is.
-- -- -- -- Are out there even as we speak we don't know where mr.
Smith is he was is -- he was being hosted by the People's Republic of China for a bit.
You -- -- or whatever so -- what your take hero.
Work for these traitor traitor -- -- is a traitor he you know -- -- or does not take classified documents.
Like a different mindset where -- -- the network run for the border.
Was a glorious days and says this is Iran is the wrong thing let's fix it but he ran.
We don't know -- LCS out there -- I find it very weird that he was in Hong Kong and Chinese territory.
We don't know where this -- this -- points let's I also find it interesting that.
He -- this this information.
At the same time President Obama was meeting with the Chinese premier.
You know one could put you can put the puzzle pieces together and think well.
President Obama wanted to talk -- counterterrorism.
I'm sorry counter.
Issues and at the same time as kids leaking information.
About that making that -- look back.
I think -- demanded withdrawal I think he's not with some people use that term -- whistle blower you know the federal government most states have whistle blower protection -- -- -- That something illegal.
You know this is because he thinks it's illegal doesn't means that we mean anybody who doesn't think that in that in SA -- intercept any.
It -- acceptance that they view -- Intercept all of them and then keep that minute big fish tank to go back through later and look and see if there's something -- -- -- -- I'm not.
Which by that well but my position on -- is.
-- winning the U.
Take a position such as he did and you have a class.
-- -- by position you know you give your word.
If I give my word and say I'm not -- -- classified information reflects poorly on me I'd get a job sweeping floors of flipping burgers if I wasn't gonna keep -- outward.
So if this guy around and head if mr.
Snowden head had done this and then presented himself.
And said take me and voice yeah that would change.
Well he's still she's still broke the law everybody plays but he's playing you know he broke the law but at least he is.
Owning up to -- is wrong doing in exposing I think more people look at -- the the issue.
Which is you know which you know that's to me that's a separate issue and what he did -- say you know and -- -- entering.
I think people really look at that and the government would have a harder time I think for an excellent book.
Well and history is rife with examples.
Of people who have done just that who have come forward and said and and I mention.
Street Thomas More.
When we're talking with Brit Hume but people of that -- who have broken enough -- taken out and sort out its case to do with the king said.
And then was Wellington to be headed for.
But again if you run it becomes it becomes harder to deal with in terms of how the public will come to see -- we here in Washington.
You with the law enforcement back there you -- about the ins and outs of national security clearance and all of this stuff we know the game here.
But as mr.
-- going to be perceived publicly what's what's his what's what's -- -- what are the what what do the people calling it the year shows.
Well you know I think it -- a mixed reception I think it has a lot to do with you know ideology in people's -- the government I think in -- government people on both sides whether the tea party of the herbal Tea Party is all of the -- the people -- tend to be more anti government going to be -- there's something that makes government -- -- -- -- joke you just make -- that's Steve -- -- -- school -- stuck and -- regretted that -- -- -- I think it's early early I think in the early days -- is appropriate in some cases that school.
Here's what Sean McDowell says John McDowell says our executive he's using all this -- Keep an eye on his opposition not our enemies clearly he's he's patriotism it's bigger threat.
-- -- -- I think while there are many on the right who think that there -- many people who were suspicious of the president who think that round.
The reality is and mr.
stone is what it is that the apparatus is.
Enormous politics yet and you -- the number of people that million plus people who have top secret clearance -- -- of this program.
-- -- -- -- Horse power that it takes to -- this is there a fair concern.
About the of programs like this that with this access to the private lives and doings of so many Americans that it would be -- for -- news.
Oh absolutely this is very concerning program -- mean.
You know that the designers of the Patriot Act had no idea I don't think chairman sensenbrenner and any idea he's ever comes to vote yes he definitely has and this definitely means we looked into.
Congressional oversight over.
We needed in the bottom where this this all goes so -- better than Bradley Manning in terms of winning public support well -- -- in China so.
Don't know where they go to hell twelve.
Years in congress now is disappeared right we -- is such a resident like Beijing.
I think yesterday that tip for the NSA checked to see who searching kayak from flights from Hong Kong to -- yeah.
And he'll be he'll be the one you guys have won it would upset and we thank you vote for.
Okay it's noon normally I'd say goodbye but I won't because we're going to -- forwarded to thirty more minutes.
Of raw Internet quite -- in some cases raw Internet excellence we will do that when we come back with some of your very favorites and some new faces to play constellation.
We'll do all that when we come back -- around.
The NSA collecting any type of data at all.
On millions or hundreds of millions of Americans.
No -- It does not.
There are cases where they could in inadvertently.
Collect but not not winning.
Who's now the now infamous testimony.
Rendered by the Director of National Intelligence James clapper.
Answering -- question two it frustrated senator Ron Wyden of Oregon Democrat.
And this is power play so that was it Britain referenced it earlier in the show.
-- that was the answer that the director gave.
That where he later told.
I believe it was ABC yesterday it was the least -- honest answer that he could summon at that.
-- this is not instilled.
Does not instill confidence in how programs.
Surveillance is being -- this is true.
But how this question.
What about what mr.
And whom else might get ahold of that.
We have a couple of I would say I I can hardly think of to better -- went on to that subject here in Washington with me.
Is colonel Cedric Leighton.
Retired of the US air force.
And very relevant to your considerations and he's former deputy director at the -- -- welcome -- Okay whatever you ever heard in my phone calls I just want to know.
And Gordon Chang.
He is among the among many many works the author of nuclear showdown North Korea takes on the world he joins us.
Via Twitter -- high.
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-- -- -- -- -- wonderful good okay this is good.
So here it is Gordon let's start with you you're an expert.
The complex relationship in the United States China.
What do you make.
The decision by -- -- -- Well what he's doing is everything that you would do if you're thinking of selling out your country -- China.
You know most people try to escape the reach of Uncle Sam don't got -- jurisdictions that have exhibition treaties with the US.
But all call does -- Ever -- escalates -- as set forth regarded as it.
-- stone went to Hong Kong because he believed that all caught was one of the few jurisdictions in the world and -- the capability.
-- will to resist the United States.
The same time goes on the -- -- is that your view in the video which says he tells us everything that he has to offer.
Which he has yet to disclose the name every person in the US intelligence community all of our -- station.
The purpose of all our missions and what we're doing abroad.
You know literally this is something that has got to be of the utmost concern to the United States I don't know what it is don't mind.
But clearly he's taking repertory steps to be concentrator.
And certainly going to do.
Larger gifts cyber threat to the United States and China.
Colonel Lleyton is significant.
Mock tank says this.
I'm not happy that the government looks bad I wanna -- -- government that they don't give us any reason to before we get mr.
snow and and what he might help China.
Question for you is.
It's reasonable for Americans not for -- this program is -- Sure when you look at the way in which the program was designed to -- the way in which Steve.
Couched it in public terms especially when you look at the PR perspective it's very bad.
But when you when you see you what it was supposed to do when you actually explain it it's a little bit different injury expert the reality of -- so let's let's start with that the the basic idea Chris is that the these programs our dear to -- data mining for the purposes of laying it digital landscape that's out there so when you detect an anomaly in the digital landscape you can -- hey wait a second.
There's something going on here there's a problem and I need to figure out what that problem is it is nothing really more than that.
Now -- in order to get there you have a lot of preparatory work.
You have to to a lot of extensive things in order to understand what that landscape looks like the digital landscape.
But you cannot do that totally blind and you cannot do that totally -- And that's what this program was designed to do is designed to assist Tennessee and other agencies in making this whole thing work and indeed keeping me -- -- -- -- -- intelligence collection capability out there are so that we can actually go after the bad.
-- and -- I'm I'm waiting to -- you -- -- but I wanted to just I wanna follow this up Brit Hume said -- bring him and I had a disagreement earlier which was this.
I -- having taking a dim hillbilly like view of human nature.
Think that it is unlikely that this in nearly a decade is the first abuse that this and the belief that this is -- for that.
The very first abuse of this is a public revelation of the program.
What assurances do we have that there is accountability.
To protect us from abuse of other -- Sure the the -- the program works it has actual.
Rules and laws that govern.
So everybody who has access to information derived from the prison database.
Has to in essence signing agreement it's really part of their classification agreement in theory they're -- security clearance process.
So with the first of all have security recruit clearance requirements.
And then they have to make sure that they don't violate the privacy of American citizens without an extra warrant they can't do.
The internals of communications without those extra things.
As they look at this I -- You have to imagine the president -- was enjoying the moment.
As he was talking president about cyber acting.
And able to tell President Obama.
Oh and -- sort of hacking your entire population so hot hot.
How far would they go do you suppose to recruit somebody with the knowledge of snow.
-- I don't go to anyway.
You know you got to remember that China -- grains of sand approach what they do is they send out hundreds of people into the United States every month.
Asking for coming back which -- a little piece of information.
So for instance how many cars cross -- particular bridge in Iowa would be something that they'd be insisted it.
Well at their interests of the bat and of course there existed about the way -- NSA works.
So I think that this is going to be something that really the top level Beijing and right now but all of -- standing committee which is the effects of political power China.
Is -- decide.
-- -- stone and his laptop.
-- -- Oh absolutely I can paper record -- that is absolutely true.
Well I tell you -- whatever you think about directorate of national intelligence that the United States phrased it Politburo will decide -- -- -- -- -- -- look awfully good.
-- right now.
-- to thank you for shedding some light on this and I would encourage everybody to catch up with what Gordon's doing.
And check out his new book.
It's it's a good read so -- thank you and we thank you very much -- Things which is -- Internet we're gonna take a quick break but.
Bob Cusack -- ever gonna ask him why the jets hate America no no no earned the Eagles -- America no no we're not gonna make fun it's terrible football in what we're going to do.
-- we're gonna talk about the tough choices on the hill.
As politicians -- national security political advantage in the consciences as they try to sort this out we'll do that when we come back Tuesday.
My administration's done what we cannot -- We've got members of my administration here who've done outstanding work over the past few years.
To try to.
Close up some of the gaps that exist in the system but the system -- broke.
And it truly deal -- this issue congress needs to act.
And that moment is now.
And that was the same stuff that you -- just moments ago that was the same audio from President Obama document immigration.
That's not really relevant what we're gonna discuss and this is power play.
Relevant to every discussion -- is Bob Cusack who use just yesterday but he is back because he had an -- because he is right himself with excellent.
Bob we're short timely and it is we're gonna go to coverage of the George Zimmerman trial so give us your best two minutes and thirty seconds on.
What's the story.
As it relates to the choices on the -- the difficult political choices on the hill.
Yeah tough tough choices I think in the upcoming months and weeks about speaker John Boehner he's got to make a decision -- ways -- With the farm belt and move immigration through the house I mean I think the senate.
Is gonna pass immigration reform that little bumpy at times the idea but whether the house can actually.
-- big -- I don't think they will I think they'll chop it up a lot of little bitty bitty pieces and they get.
This signing stuff and the findings though there -- some moral conundrum.
That are stacking up from lawmakers up there is republicans' way.
Political advantage vs their longstanding commitment to spying on people yet and on the democratic side there are sort of whopper daughter that's -- Yeah I think it's a season very interesting spot because she was when George W.
Bush on the wiretapping relations -- Actually this is lady pretty tops and of course Republicans say it was a Republican in the White House right now and to be all.
But I think Pelosi is gonna toe the line a bit because politically doesn't help -- that distance between earth and the present but.
She's got a little caucus who's not fond of these programs and they know that Obama and in office forever so.
I think she please it is going to be -- Okay so what's gonna happen I think she's not gonna criticized -- president and possibly cost more oversight.
But at the same time.
That -- -- -- for a debate -- call for the house to debate these issues because she's a former member of the intelligence.
She knows these issues and and I think that she's she's -- us -- that's the.
It seems it seems like maybe some cynicism but I'm not -- there's there's chance.
Were really sorry that.
We don't have more -- sent today but if they follow you if they do the right thing you we expect if they -- -- each and every day after -- ministry.
That we'll have all of -- that they write always ask for them keep them more just keep keep coming back that's that's what we say that we thank you for coming Cusack okay.
So coming up next live coverage.
Anchored at a New York of the George Zimmerman trials that you should stay tuned for that indeed I'm sorry that nearly ended up giving you 46 minutes than an hour hour.
But it's -- it's complicated we're -- you that's that we had but one thing we won't be standing on is this.
As we like to do everyday work from our -- If this could happen in the in the days after the inauguration of Obama in 2009.
It would have been a lot less of a story because.
People had trust in the Obama administration in the government in.
In and hit it in the government in general and that's what I think is lacking and it's poisoning the whole debate right now.
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