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Headed in that segment tonight is a federal government through the prism anti terror program confiscating and storing the crucial question.
-- -- -- senator Rand Paul of Kentucky.
Is -- say it's happened -- an email system senator do you know.
-- no I don't think I have an absolute understanding of it because they won't tell us.
You know director clapper has said -- we're not collecting them.
I don't know does that mean he's just not storing on what does he mean he's not collecting on the right -- you know something about phone call you don't know.
The whistle blow our.
He's run and away from the authorities now he says there are doing illegal stuff.
And that's why he came forward put his whole life on the line.
What do you think of this whistle blower guy should we track them down bring them back and try.
You know I think what's most important is that what he's talking about which is the bill writes a Fourth Amendment the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure.
So that does rise to very high level for me and then you have to ask yourself.
He's practicing Civil Disobedience.
But many -- -- our history we have honored people who have done that I'm reserving judgment on that.
I am worried on the one hand about people who release information.
Who might get people killed in the field I don't think this rises to that I think he released information to say look.
The bill of rights is being ignored and I think that.
In many ways is a noble gesture because he's having to give up a great deal usually on the.
Run you would agree with me -- though we can't have anarchy and everybody deciding what national security secrets to -- to the guardian newspaper the Washington Post.
It's gotta be some orderly process here and if he does it.
As you said it's an act the Civil Disobedience he's got to -- explain it.
And prove that he has improved again all we have are allegations senator this might not be happening at all the prison program might not be violating anything.
Well you know I think the question isn't it's a bigger question it's really about whether or not when you give your records to a third party you still have protection.
Because the court actually may well rule according to the court cases for the 1970s.
Miller and Smith.
That your records when somebody else holds them you don't have a Fourth Amendment protection.
I disagree with those rulings and think we need to revisit them because your cell phone records actually can be used to Trace your movement.
So last year the Supreme Court had a case about GPS.
Whether police can tag your car with a GPS finder.
And track you without probable cause or -- Warren.
Supreme Court said no.
I think your telephone somewhat like that they can track your movements so I think they need to have a -- that says you've been accused of a crime and there's probable cause to believe.
That we need to track your movements we shouldn't go to the records.
A hundred billion phone calls a day.
If the National Security Agency in the CIA.
And everybody else is we need this capability.
To snuff out terrorism -- is American don't have any problem with.
Time and place of calls I don't have a problem with that I think it is constitutional.
For the authorities in an anti terror program very well.
Defined with the -- a warrant to do all right not any cop anywhere slapping a little gizmo on your car agreed to spring where there.
But but your time and place -- see only targeted phone calls which I'm not opposed to also it would be targeted suspicion.
And you're presenting a case to the court.
When you look at every phone call that Verizon and they don't -- they don't they Santorum and then when they get a hot line.
Then they -- the hotline -- -- called it.
I really don't have any prominent but I do have a problem with the listening to the call.
Or reading the email and that's the crux of our discussion here right well you as a senator yeah ice won it quite clear here.
You as a senator who is very interest in in this situation.
You don't know.
What the National Security Agency is doing whether they happen.
Cold these emails and -- storing them in Utah wherever you don't.
Now correct up.
I only know -- there will tell me and that's very limited in some of what they tell me I'm not allowed to talk about what I can talk about is what has been revealed but this whistle blower.
-- a billion records are being looked through are being sorted and sifted through.
This is a real problem fear that the NFL sure they'll really all -- a right to privacy these are any emails being looked at a resort all telephone calls.
From what I understand what we're reading in the press -- telephone calls however.
What I would say is.
By coordinating mega data out from phone calls you can also tell where people are going.
How many times they call someone there are a lot of things you can determine about person's life.
I would also say it did under today's understanding from the Supreme Court -- -- -- record is not private and does not require a -- That to -- is a mistake I think your third party records.
Should get -- detection are the men let's see how that legally evolves but I want to know all.
I think you do and I think every single American or anybody -- in -- world watching me now I wanna know if what this whistle blower says is true.
That the national the only your agency is taking emails.
-- -- words on paper and storing them.
Are you going to be available on -- are you going to be able to find.
Well that's the questions -- the only way -- know is if President Obama and his administration.
Choose to be the transparent administration they promised -- going to be.
If they chose to protect privacy if they chose to release even in redacted form some of these Pfizer court orders.
They don't they're horrified that that we now know.
They're probably not just Verizon AT&T I think every phone call and every cell phone in America off.
Is getting the same order I understand we just keep going back and -- -- calls -- you're on the homeland security committee.
I got to know about the emails.
And I'd like you to find out and hold hearings and get -- mean -- get taken the emails or not.
That's what we need to Null set.
Well here's the question on the emails the current -- says that after six months you don't require a warrant.
That's even to get all of the data concerning on it usually is not to read them.
So if we can take them at face value they're not reading them.
But even looking at your emails over six months without any kind of court order -- -- draw I think is wrong and we're gonna try to fix that there -- also.
I'll and we need to get a better defined -- we appreciate your time tonight directly ahead for.
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