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-- -- -- all the cloak and -- government -- -- -- some are even the court overseeing the secret surveillance programs operates in secret but now a bipartisan group of senators.
Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani joins us nice to see -- nice to see you Greta.
So what's your position on number of senators Democrats and Republicans are seeking to declassify.
Album -- declassify that's.
Well Greta I was there at -- creation of the -- record at the end of the Ford administration the beginning of the Carter administration.
Watch it function for many years when I was associate attorney general US attorney.
The court functions in a very very responsible way.
And the reality is keeping these documents secret is enormously important.
To protecting the methods by which we find these people who are coming here to try to kill us it's enormously important sometimes even to protect.
Of the people who are giving the information to us because I've written.
I don't know a 10000 of these things.
And it's very hard to write them and be completely.
About preserving identity you have to give information very intelligent very Smart counterintelligence people can figure out what and who you're talking about.
I wish -- senators would would step back a little.
And not over over over react I mean -- -- we could be we could be you know doing something very very dangerous here.
If we -- start revealing all of these at all of these affidavits.
I think it added the idea would be that it would it would not the entire everything all the time but instead of doing what we do here watching which is class by virtually everything things we don't necessarily need to classify -- there would be some sort judge reduced but here here's the question that I -- -- about the fight -- which operates in secret.
In an early in the calendar year 2012 they -- -- but -- -- 877.
Applications for warrants from the fights a court.
Of that 877.
The government withdrew wanted him once considered not -- -- 876.
And a 100%.
Of them was -- granted by the court now I I juxtapose that.
Against the war aren't.
That was issued for my colleague James Rosen an -- and scale not everyone but a lot people are scandalized that that war was granted so of that -- -- -- by a federal judge that's what makes up the fights a court appointed federal judges why should -- be suspicious that the -- -- is equally like a rubber -- like the district court that.
Issued they -- the -- -- did issued the warrant for James Rosen.
It's a really good question credit but but there's -- but there is a difference -- first -- -- the Lou the rose an affidavit is totally unjustified.
And the judge you signed that should be ashamed of himself.
The judges on the -- -- court take this responsibility enormously seriously they meet in a very very private place.
There can be no interception there can be no discussion.
They can have most often they can have that law clerks with them it's done in a very very careful way.
It's a very different thing than what you used to for the normal criminal justice a process now the fact that they -- or authorized most of of all of them.
Hot abstentions the fact that high percent of all of the application hot.
Percent not -- -- -- percent Greta I won 95% of my cases when I was US attorney you know why.
Because we prosecuted guilty people we were really careful about bringing our indictments.
But the the Justice Department only brings the very best cases to them.
It goes through an enormously.
Rigorous process in the Justice Department before even gets to them.
This Justice Department past Justice Department's -- so the course to court in a way.
Is being put in a bad light because they get very good applications that have already been thought out very carefully.
And I don't know -- -- conversation that goes on the show yeah just we'll say you don't have enough for this you don't have enough you know and -- and they go back and get it.
-- -- -- the good day at the award for my colleague James -- ice and went all we have the flight over the top to the attorney general of the United States I think that he had his fingerprints on it in some way because it's section -- -- Warren.
Likewise the warrants I suppose they go into the -- accord go hallway after the Supreme Court rally at the attorney jokes that same attorney general who testified I would say in a rather dodge G KG weight -- best.
Under oath before they before -- -- and they committee.
In late may still have lots of questions about that and and the fact and that fact that -- a 100% I am I just don't -- I've seen that I've seen cases in the Justice Department many and many fine men and women are -- -- also seen cases where there's been prosecutorial overreaching prosecutorial misconduct look at the senator Ted Stevens case look what happened there for the public image it.
Does happen and -- promise we have no mechanism now.
In the -- -- court.
Just have another viewpoint even me confidant show -- -- like -- our -- men represented some challenge to the government on something before this -- -- Just to give the people little bit of a chance and there for them for the one timing a thousand -- 2003000.
That it really isn't justified.
I'm sure that's gonna be considered now to have some kind of some kind of -- review process.
Important of that review process however is its its got to be kept secret.
We can't have this information out there even though the press wants to analyze that we'd -- like analyzing you can't do that because what you're doing is you're alerting our enemies.
To how we're catching them you're also alerting our enemies to the people who are giving us information about them -- they can get it then go kill and torture.
So this is very very high stakes and the only thing I can tell you from.
I don't know seventeen years experience in the Justice Department is this area.
Is dealt with -- in a much more careful much more judicious way than just about any other area of the Justice Department and this is -- -- -- administration.
This has been sure the bush admitted she drew the Reagan administration that I was in when it when it was virtually in its infant stage.
So what they eat they throw -- and maybe with a bit -- -- I have -- here.
The people who.
Exe cute that 100%.
To warrant that's issued include people.
Like this guy Snowden who's our music contractor -- in the job three more -- I don't get -- there's -- I'm Greta I don't get federal now yeah yeah yeah there's outrage I don't understand how a guy who's been there for three months.
Who never graduated from high schools.
Who looks like a pretty mixed up confused that a -- to me I don't understand how this guy -- But that's classified information that members of congress don't have access to such an out and see if somebody's got to fix -- We've gotten that from I don't how many other -- are out there worked there for months five months but then you got the problem with the dean and I the -- guy.
Testifying before court I don't what's your position did you think he was telling the truth and answer senator wyden's question.
Look I I assume that James clapper is it is a business real patriot he's a man who served this country -- -- question but so I'm on giving given the benefit of the doubt.
I'm gonna go get my yeah sense that I'd like to hear his explanation.
I sign the ambiguity in the answer.
I thought that statement about its unwitting I sat there when I first heard it and I said what the hell you're talking about unwitting.
There can be millions of unwitting in tears and -- -- -- animation this makes no sense I got music I.
And in deference to his service to our country we've got to give this guy a chance to explain it made it.
What he did explain it he did explain to Andrea Mitchell of NBC you ask him about it today this was his answer.
First as I said I have great respect for senator Wyden I thought -- in retrospect I was asked -- -- going to start stop beating your wife kind of question.
Which is meeting not answerable necessarily by simple yes or no so I responded what I thought was the most truthful.
Or at least most -- format and by saying no but that's is answered today but.
Well I don't understand the least untruthful here consider that he can give.
I think this man maybe -- needs a little okay.
He's a little council.
The least untruthful answer that you he's -- -- he's ahead I guess it's a problem now.
The least untruthful answers that he can give means it's an untruthful answer to some degree.
So that maybe the better answer would have meant senator I'm sorry that's -- question I can't answer.
Because -- it is surrounded by classified information I've been before congress in my role as associate attorney general US attorney.
And there were questions I couldn't answer about an investigation.
Questions I couldn't answer because it's classified just -- and now you just say.
Senator I can't answer that question you -- can say senator I can't answer that question may -- in private session we can find a way to answer that question.
Yeah I see it thanks guys to see you Greta good job there --
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