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-- about administration perhaps even the Bush Administration before it deliberately keeping congress out of the -- for -- complaints from both sides of the political I'll.
I am not aware of this program that was revealed today I have no notice -- -- there.
-- -- emails and notices we were never told that we were able to find out the information it's been revealed this week so I think it's a fiction.
It's -- fiction that everybody in congress knows.
We have our Intel committee that gets -- but the full congress does not but there's -- fine line here.
Did we need to have greater accountability and greater transparency.
Democrat Cashman could spend Howland joins us and I see a secretary to be with you -- I suppose -- -- could know the program exists and -- could know the extent to the program -- that we don't even on the program racist what is the level to think of they'd general briefing of the house on us.
Well I think Intelligence Committees in the house and the senate were fully briefed the issue is the extent a briefing of other members.
And because you're dealing with classified information.
I think we have to improve the system we have of conveying that information from intelligence committee members.
To other members of congress who were voting on important issues like -- like the Patriot Act.
Because that portion of the communication system is certainly very imperfect.
-- to understand why this whole -- -- classified anyway I mean I hear them it's as you know if protects us from terrorism but -- I see what happens with the sound I have Brothers.
In Boston -- catch him -- -- -- there communicated to Chechnya and they've been tipped off by the Russians and we still didn't catch that ahead of time and we gave citizenship I might add.
To one under and this was going down.
And and drug dealers use throwaway phones all the time -- someone like you know this broad scale everybody.
It doesn't have to request -- well.
I'm not I'm not sure I think we're learning a lot more about this program and the kind of questions you're asking I think of the questions that congress we'll ask itself.
The argument of course was.
Yes maybe maybe hardened terrorist assume that their phones or bug but maybe there -- people who were sort of they copycats and -- that Saddam terror how do well and there're there're there are reports I mean what we're being told is that this system did in fact to -- prevent.
Some terrorist bombings for example in New York City.
So it to the extent that you've got people in that category.
Who were less careful.
Maybe in fact the fact this has been revealed.
We'll make it less likely that we can catch himself look I think this is debate you know I high eight voted against the reauthorization of -- act.
I'm not because I don't think we need it this -- security but because I thought there was a lot of ambiguity.
In what kinda running -- room.
We were given and given to the executive branch and I should be clear my my concern is last with the collecting of the aggregate.
Found -- after all the phone companies have that my concerns more with.
What are the rules that apply when you're actually -- that that searching that data actually trying to get content.
Or even who gets enemy can be a three month contractor Booz Allen have access to a lot of secure stuff that a member of congress can't get access to well I mean this is something we obviously want to get to the bottom of -- mountain -- has made.
A number of comments including the fact he claims that he could wiretap.
Anybody any time now.
I'm being told that's not true if -- is true we do have a real problem I mean if anybody was a contractor.
With the kind of security clearances he had could in fact.
You know wiretap people and their contents we have shoes problem with the system.
I'm not sure yet to what extent those statements he's making -- accurate.
But those are exactly the kind of questions we need to find senator find somewhat -- a look at how many act contract just three years and you know women and an awful lot of them have security conscious do an act.
Does necessary because he is a positive they -- we do agree that it -- -- take a look at like there.
And we sort of gone hog wild assists -- my home state.
Well you've seen in in the last you know.
Ten years since since 9/11 -- -- huge increase in the number of contractors who have access to highly classified information.
Now to some extent you need some contractors to help support the system but.
Clearly in this case I would argue the vetting system.
Was not adequate.
And we saw the consequences of that but I think people -- gonna take a hard look.
About how -- this information.
Is this control you've got to respect you're not into -- you -- your leadership.
I am the leader have -- -- -- Qaeda and -- participating leadership to do you have any security clearance.
Members of congress have automatically top secret.
Security clearances maybe even beyond that now.
The level of information detail you can get if you're a member of the intelligence committee is significantly.
Higher than what's available to.
Most members of congress it's more of -- need to know.
-- -- -- -- rest everybody else.
His test the wind be your answer to senator Wyden.
I think it's false and what you think but should day is that it disqualify should should the house the highest ranking member.
The DN -- testified as he did she stay in the job well.
I think he's acknowledged that it was is misleading I mean it that lets me get better no no it doesn't and so that then the question is you know he is made it.
That he thought he was put an impossible situation because he was testify in public about something classified now.
There's no doubt that note I didn't call the next day there's that well there's no doubt he -- -- I mean no doubt that he should've said.
I can't answer that question in a public forum.
He didn't say that and so.
It obviously who left a incredibly misleading.
Compression it -- so I look I wanna I'd certainly wanna -- to hear more about circumstances.
There's no doubt that that was something that results and misleading.
A lot of people -- has responded.
That he thought that he would have to explodes.
Intelligence information put people at risk if he answered differently but he could've answered differently is also acknowledge that Katherine thank you sir thank you coming.