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Well now -- -- issued a big issue of the day of trust and government that's the underlying theme here is now while we continue to examine the politics around and -- -- leak.
And the national security implications we also want to take a look at the Internet itself.
When you have a system that's an -- this surveillance our next guest says this is key to the debate.
And right now the public is at the mercy of Internet lords for our security and that's -- -- a good thing person -- is the author of wires now liars.
Enabling the tracks that society needs to thrive in that he has the big question tracks -- east we're going back to this.
Homeless -- ballistic.
Like we did in many -- times what do you mean by that.
But we're living in a world where -- technology is mediated by big companies so someone might be a Google person or an apple person they give these companies all their stuff their email -- -- the photographs.
And the trade -- is those companies will keep us safe.
And those companies -- our trading on that trust that's how they get their users.
And it turns out now we've learned -- had a sort of a side deal.
Betraying that trust the government and I think that's why we're seeing those corporations saying now please let us tell the people.
What we've been doing because they -- chance of losing that trust what.
About consumer accountability in all of this you know I'm just taking a different -- not not many now she's really worked for the situation but if I went out and and bought a car for example off.
I'm trusting in the company at selling that car and they're gonna put locks on the doors from me there and build a sturdy vehicle -- -- -- relatively safe does that to me as a driver.
To drive safely and also to put some extra security measures in place if I want to be extra safe so.
Is there a role for consumer accountability in all of this and what is that -- You know there's some but he's a very technological issues we would never sell a car without brakes turned -- soon we hope not -- until we expect that the products we buy.
I have some base level of of safety of security with the food we buy.
Without -- test the food for poison ourselves we expect we go to the store we by the food safe.
And the Internet is is that -- -- more so people don't have the ability.
To do that kind of analysis.
So they have to trust the companies still were at the mercy of the companies we are assets are.
Now they of course want to do well by us -- company like FaceBook.
Mean yes they're selling our privacy to anybody's paying money to them.
But they have a facade they'll keep our data private from people who don't pay.
Is indeed if aside number one and number two what are you advocating more government -- -- what is the answer for who is responsible for keeping us safe.
And are that are really and truly are you saying we -- -- -- assess the government's of his more regulation of the Internet.
So I do think there's a place regulation I think we're at a point where the market spelling for a bunch of reasons free products perturbed markets.
The lack of of real competition.
There and FaceBook has nearly a huge company a huge company and they haven't for real reasons because of network affects -- on these sites.
But because you wanna because your friends -- there you go on FaceBook -- get -- by the party's so of course she's going to be there but so you know you don't have a cell phone.
And you're not connected.
All of their viewers is that I don't think they're -- big that your free brits are really catching on some of these big issues because.
Now that we have these big companies what is the answer -- for what should we be asking from our elected officials.
So this is a futile as the model for loosen it is -- exchange.
The lord will protect the vast solemn exchanged -- -- -- -- allegiance that failed.
Because the -- noticed -- we have all the power we can do whatever we want and it looks more like the game the throne than than anything else.
And what changed that was the rise of nation states where the people said hey you guys ruling us not only have rights you have responsibilities.
We're at the point now with not a lot of accountability transparency too big probably NSA eavesdropping.
It's less that they're doing it and more that it's done in secret without our knowledge that our consent.
And and that's just un American.
You say that definition of power is changing in our country and this is sort of evidence of that tell us about that in.
And what's the answer is a change a good thing is -- a bad thing is -- an eventual things just part of the country growing and changing week.
Think what we need some of this and we don't know if it's still no -- power traditionally was government power.
-- and and those of us who like liberty we try to reduce government power increase personal power and that reduces the imbalance.
Now power is more -- hands of corporations and this is government corporate alliance the government said.
Everyone must carry a tracking device at all times we rebel we would never allow that.
Yet we all carry cell phones.
The government said -- message you sent to your friends must go through us we we we that would never be allowed yet we all use FaceBook messaging.
Intrusions that we would never except by governments.
We willingly allow corporations to do and -- government can now bypass us and go directly there so it's this this amalgamation of power.
That I think is the most dangerous.
We really -- examine that more and it's fascinating to -- to is -- it's great to have Leo thank you and I'm not really at peace with either so maybe I'm a freak with you trust off Chris maybe Wear -- in the same we -- expert having -- her become vaccine and the trees that are viewers think about that conversation as well.
John -- I see that I see -- -- the battle outside FaceBook headquarters with pitchforks.
Eventually I don't know Bruce do you see that he CDs are never revolve from the people just saying listen we don't want these companies being so big don't let the government being so intrusive and it's really -- accident -- -- It's you know maybe -- -- this issue is not afford -- straight political lines.
-- we have Republicans saying.
The government should do this we have sensenbrenner saying I -- the Patriot Act and this is horrible we have Barbara Boxer saying it's okay we have other Democrats saying this is horrible.
So when things don't Foster political lines something actually might happen or wait and watch that -- next question -- because John John -- it's a fascinating I don't let it.
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