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At 3 o'clock in New York City the government's program to track her phone call -- could have prevented the attacks of September the eleventh had -- been in place.
That's the word today from the head of the FBI as he strongly defended the phone tracking.
FBI director Robert Mueller told a house committee that before the attacks investigators have identified an al-Qaeda safe house in Yemen.
Understood that that -- -- safe house had a telephone number but they could not know who was calling in to that particular.
That particular state house we came to find out afterwards that the person who called and that's safe house was -- me a car.
Who was in United States in San Diego the 9/11 commission.
Itself indicated that investigations -- interrogations of Elvis car once he was identified.
Could that you would have better evidence of connections to other participants participants and -- 9/11 plot the simple fact of their detention could derail the plan in any case.
There their detention could have derailed the -- still lawmakers say they are not convinced that the feds need to conduct such a broad sweep of our phone records.
How can the government collect information on all.
Of the Verizon system.
If the statute limits the government.
-- those records that are relevant.
If if if -- relevant that.
Relevant under your interpretation.
-- and that's what you did in the as in the example that you just gave me well that congressman the Democrat John Conyers of Michigan.
Warns that we could be on the verge of becoming a surveillance state.
Last week's leaks indicate that a secret court order lets the feds -- phone data on millions of Verizon customers.
Catherine Herridge is live in Washington I guess now we have some new reaction from the White House is that right.
Let's -- over the White House is backing up NSA Director General Keith Alexander who claims the controversial data collection programs made the country safer.
Due to specific instances where these programs.
Authorized by congress.
Overseen by congress and federal judges.
Overseen with internal checks and balances within the executive branch.
Were found to be.
Directly affected -- in thwarting terrorist attacks.
After general Alexander testified Wednesday that -- dozens of terrorist events were disrupted.
Democratic senators -- -- -- early critics of the NSA programs responded quote.
We have not yet seen any evidence showing that the NSA's dragnet collection of americans' phone records has produced any uniquely valuable intelligence.
All of the -- that he reference to Alexander mentioned appeared to have been identified.
Using other collection methods.
And there are persisting questions over whether NSA programs discovered critical intelligence about New York City.
Bomber -- -- is -- and convicted terrorist David Headley they're on the right or whether the US program simply confirmed leads they had already been generated.
By foreign intelligence services in these cases -- by the British intelligence services.
Right now Catherine back to the guy who did all this leaking some lawmakers are telling us at Fox News they want to know more about it.
The big development today on whether an -- -- Edwards -- might be a spy for China.
The House Intelligence Committee leadership seem to leave the door open.
We're going to make sure that there's a thorough scrub of what he is.
What his China connections all -- -- -- usual Q being China and asking for protection of Chinese Government -- press conferences the Chinese media.
Here the key development today came added that -- stake out.
Is that then congress never said that's -- had been in parts.
Of the NSA computer systems that he was not authorized.
To be and so the question is with that self directed by -- or was he operating under the direction.
Another entity and questions now about whether that could have been China -- And in good questions Katherine thanks so much Iraq do you think -- the judge went on Fox News senior judicial analyst judge -- a -- it was a well it could have prevented 9/11.
You know I I suppose under this logic.
They could just give us all my lenders and then nothing bad would ever happen under this logic that can cut as many holes in the constitution as they want and argue that if we had been able to do that.
1213 years ago it would have prevented 9/11.
In FBI director Mueller and his final testimony before congress he still singing the tune.
That constitutional liberties can be subordinated to the governor the government's need to -- and bad people.
And he's making an argument which which is inconsistent with the history of the FBI.
The FBI more than any other law enforcement entity in the history of the United States.
Has shown deference and respect to the constitution he's basically saying they can't they need to -- the holes in order to get in order to get the bad guys and they don't.
It's absolutely unnecessary as congressman dingle argued.
For the FBI to get the phone numbers are very but it works for -- for Verizon in order to find out who's going from San Diego to Yemen.
They could've gotten the incoming call and Yemen and from that that would have known who was making the call on the on the could've gotten a warrant on that house in San Diego.
This is toast -- so to suggest.
That they can forget about the Fourth Amendment.
Theoretically break down any door they want theoretically arrest anybody they want would give us an America that nobody would want to -- -- And yet we hear from all corners of the government.
-- the White House defends this everybody's defending this as if maybe they'd never read the Fourth Amendment I mean.
I don't understand it.
Well congressman entanglements Tony because -- -- agree with congressman -- but he made some really great points today.
That the statute in the Patriot Act.
That permits them to get all these phone records requires them to tell the judge whom they asked to sign the order.
That the phone records are relevant to -- an ongoing investigation.
How quick they claim that a 113.
Million phone records.
Are relevant to an investigation -- what they claim that all 113 million people are involved and some kind of a conspiracy which is obviously not the case.
So they they skirting the even the law.
That let them get these phone records by omitting the key point of his this information relevant for.
Is this a dragnet is this a fishing expedition which it obviously was and -- the Fourth Amendment was specifically written to prevent the government from engaging in.
And yet they've done it.
And nobody if history tells us anything nobody's going to be punished and they're gonna.
Keep on doing it they've they've made it clear they're gonna keep on doing it and the people just sit around with their hands -- -- -- -- well there -- a lot of scandals now this isn't just another scandal.
This is -- did direct violation of the constitution.
Here's the thing if they do not.
Arrest and prosecute someone and in that prosecution use evidence obtained from this hundred and thirteen million person warrant.
Then nobody will be in a position to challenge you know when we'll have ten if no one has standing to challenge it they will do it again and again.
And again unless and until the American public gets sick and tired of that.
And elects a government that respects the constitution.
Don't know what progress.
They can judge --
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