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Senator Rand Paul you heard -- for the breaks -- these suspects NSA surveillance is more invasive than what we've been told so far.
And he wants all Americans is joining a class action lawsuit against the administration.
My suspicion is every cell phone in America is having their data tracked so I think everybody in America.
Anyone in America who runs a cell -- I think should if they want to protect the privacy become a party to these lawsuits are former Pennsylvania governor Tom.
-- became the first secretary of Homeland Security when that -- created after 9/11.
He was also instrumental in developing new intelligence gathering methods in this is the first time he is speaking publicly about the surveillance program since the news break -- sir welcome here.
Lou -- and they'll take you -- -- to Americans have reason to be concerned about this.
I think they have.
Every reason to be curious as to how the program has expanded.
From the time that President Bush inaugurated I think there's say it a need for transparency.
I thought the yet the real challenge associated with the revelations over the past week I think are complicated.
Because over the past several months this administration has demonstrated in so many areas within -- -- Department of Justice in the IRS.
That they're they're not to be trusted that -- information gaps and I think.
As a general Alexander in general Hayden have said there's -- this is a program began under President Bush fairway and there we were prepared and if you should never be prepared to sacrifice.
Any constitutional protection for porous security.
It's been expanded so I think the real challenge here in my judgment is a little bit more transparency to -- the extent they're able to provide a force -- let me be clear is that you're -- with the program and you're saying I'm currently I don't -- should be okay with a program to.
But what you're looking towards more explanation from administration the president to come on explain exactly what they're doing.
Let -- -- right here is that right.
I think that's precisely enemy in this revelation comes after a series -- other challenges associated with this administration so there's there's there's absolutely no trust right now obviously mean this administration this government.
And I think they're just a couple simple questions need to be answered and to the extent you can do that without compromising.
The the efforts we've undertaken one is.
As the program have been expanded everybody seems to suggest that it has tell -- if you can how and why and -- and then secondly why do you need the meta data why do you need all of that.
Rather than just surgically going after individual phone number I think you know that I think people better understand it.
That that is the tricky part of this I mean when you're running the show.
The big debate was whether or not you were -- phone calls -- came in from overseas are watching phone calls from -- -- Into the US and how would Gundy emails and possibly Google -- how we get here.
Well I think that -- if that's a good question I mean I think that's the the the whole notion of the expansion of the program -- that President Bush said very specific parameters.
And there's been testimony suggested those parameters have been expanded.
And people need to explain to us under what circumstances it was necessary to do so it is a matter transparency we don't want them to lay out exactly how -- to back in the program.
Demonstrate the need don't be a bystander -- that read my -- -- a wake up while they tell us.
Well I -- on the front page of every newspaper and website for a week now.
Well I think that's that's a fair comment and I think you have as senator Paul and everybody else getting all excited -- we had a privacy office and the Department of Homeland Security the first congressionally mandated an office.
We talked about this all the time.
What is -- we do.
As a government to protect our citizens that is consistent with the constitution.
There is a law that -- you can use the -- -- court you have congressional oversight so there.
And you have a court that has to approve the the application where you can -- -- -- religion outrageous things formation but here's -- Senator Paul says he says he even if you're got to keep the name private the possibility for abuse is enormous so we went out to find out what Americans are thinking in our poll asked this question.
Is it unacceptable does invade your privacy or is it acceptable I mean that's 62%.
-- how do you strike the right balance between that security question.
And the privacy question.
And I think you answered that question in part because it is -- question that -- going to need to ask for ever.
Because in nature of communication telecommunications.
In the flow of electrons has changed how we communicate.
How the terrorists communicate how criminal communicate -- nation states communicate.
That is a question that we're going to continue to ask and -- forever that is precisely why they need to be a little bit more transparent to tell us how when and why they're doing these things.
I've gotta run but -- just -- yes or no answer here Robert Mueller said had we had this program.
Would not have happened.
You're -- -- I'd like everything.
I'm not certain.
Thank you for your times -- Tom -- -- out of Washington DC thank you.
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