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The iris -- a sparking a war within the house oversight committee blistering -- is going back and forth between chairman Darrell ice and congressman Elijah Cummings.
Here is how it all started.
Top Democrats saying the case is closed end of story based upon everything I've seen -- faces off.
And if it were remain.
I would grab his face up and move -- Congressman Elijah Cummings saying this scandal over the ire of targeting of these Tea Party conservative groups has been solved the it's almost.
We've actually just began their investigation.
Elijah Cummings should not -- done what he did it is here responsible he knows is that the investigation not a done deal that would solve we would never these infamous two rogue agents and Cincinnati are.
If it was solved lowest score within need to plead the fifth and there's a serious problem -- terrorists.
Our goal is to be used to Rudolph.
House oversight committee chairman -- -- -- released excerpts of interviews with the IRS staffers.
Suggesting Washington orchestrated the program from the former -- And dubbed by some level employees and symptomatic.
So who director -- There -- in this -- this investigation is not a me first off we have to begin with the fact that this was.
Beginning with the -- apology and -- declaration that they had been targeting and persecuting.
Conservative groups the second aspect of this investigation finding out who and all the accounts.
So how high does the iris -- -- really don't oversight committee member -- trade -- joins -- sexiest -- -- thank -- I first you've got the slow warm -- back for -- between the chairman and the ranking member of -- curious first set congressman Elijah Cummings ranking says the case is closed isn't.
It's not and I think mr.
Cummings would be the first to tell you that he probably spoke in order fully.
It tell you what he met what he says I think it and in subsequent interviews he he has backed off talk a little bit.
Went up in -- tone down the rhetoric the biggest is a volley of letters going back and forth between.
Between the congressman Cummings and the chairman I set I guess the topic -- somewhat different because congressman Cummings wants.
All the transcripts from the witnesses for the people work in Ohio released.
And if we were on court he would probably be right under the rule of completeness she -- you produce at all but what -- not in court this is an investigation and police are routinely do not release all of the information in fact.
Police can legally.
Use orifice and deception during an investigation I'm not suggesting -- -- -- would do -- -- there's a big difference between an investigation.
At a court proceedings so.
I think mr.
Cummings is thinking in terms of transparency and openness in and agenda toward process where mr.
-- is sinking we're in the middle of investigation.
We want other people who called Ford.
We're not gonna subject -- -- humiliation and retribution so.
You -- -- police say may release a profile of the suspect or they may not.
Well it -- and in defense of what debt Kotchman coming to -- -- -- he's also added that he didn't he does he would be willing to read the actor take out or only a limited information that might be harmful humiliate someone but and also congressman I -- Releasing just learned that serve little pieces of a -- -- -- was bait before the media I mean it's meant to tease the media it's meant to get information that doesn't in any way advance advanced investigation -- This is politics.
It is politics all but let me suggest.
One all the possible motive pitcher when -- some may have he may be wanting to signal other reluctant witnesses.
Big picture auto loan.
He may be that -- their myriad reasons why you would not release all of the information but somewhat it.
I usually girl aside -- pulled over release let folks know everything can sit there on nothing -- -- where -- button.
But what you would concede there's a totally different standard for an investigation and there is -- a courtroom.
Police I would concede that but I still -- as much as I appreciate the little piece of information that we is being released to us in my role.
In on the show as a journalist.
Hi hey you know I don't see -- I don't see how it advances the investigation.
For the Republicans to leak little pieces that are advantageous to the Republican viewpoint that this is a huge scandal and that this is a growing scandal.
This is the benefit that I have I never served in the minority.
-- when I -- was the ranking member when.
Some things were -- to his side that I think he remembers.
Very well and it -- core rate did people treated one another of the way -- treat one world all the top.
Unfortunately memories Ron Paul and I think it's asking a lot for.
German ice two.
To all of a sudden be the good guy when some dreadful things were done when he was the ranking -- Back I don't think it's pay back.
I think -- -- even if it's not really the right thing to do but the other guy did I mean that's into the cycle Washington on all these scans the other guy did so I'm doing it now has never stopped.
But it's not Rome to release a -- police stored all the time they released part of the information they release.
What other suspects put on all four of the suspects.
I'm -- -- -- so very well could be -- releasing the information to send a signal to someone who was on the all the precipice of common for but hasn't decided yet for.
Or though he wants to insist this -- -- to -- for but discouraged that.
Among my many limitations are cannot read your -- mind but but I do know this I do know this I have the benefit.
Of seeing those -- -- privately and there is much less.
-- fighting and consternation of bickering going on when the cameras are off.
Home then when the -- there they get along actually very well off when nobody else is around Hyde has just go to thanks so -- I realize it's early.
-- I would -- would.
Beg your pardon or whether monetarily because I think we've had plenty of time to before -- along the -- or now.
And the fact that we don't I mean we know it's not isolated to Cincinnati.
We know that it comes out of DC but we don't know how high up.
I think that is more avenues that we need to have more depositions.
Are to be given a -- you don't like the leagues but more depositions.
And actually less committee hearings Jose or less conducive to getting information now than it -- You try -- it is an early this thing going on for several years -- -- I agree that those of fed to him that correct actually I think good I think he didn't correctly I think you're right to correct me actually agree -- the correction so congressman -- guys as a C assessment to.
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