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We'll forget about the NSA it's the IRS that should have you're really worried that tax man accused of seizing tens of millions of private medical records.
Now lawmakers are launching an investigation and this comes amid another report that the -- just canceled a controversial order for spying equipment.
Like secret cameras and office plans -- -- Even clock radios -- no wonder more than three out of four Americans now say the Irish should not.
-- -- the health care law so do the overwhelming majority of you have it right.
Hi everybody I'm David as a welcome to Forbes on FOX let's go and focus -- -- Steve forbes' Elizabeth MacDonald rich -- guard John Candy.
Rick -- and Morgan brand and good to see all Steve first you should we really trust these guys -- their health records.
Of course not David their new name is now the internal revenge service that fundamentally on the trust of the American people.
And -- and depth at the 29 year old could blow the lid off of our.
Most secret intelligence have secrets.
Why in the world we trust the IRS it's an honor I don't -- why there's a debate on this David Morgan that most Americans -- we just a 76%.
Don't trust the iris to enforce obamacare are they right or wrong.
I understand why they don't trust -- direct I have my issues with the IRS.
But looking at at what Obama care essentially boils down to which is a massive tax package according to the Supreme Court ruling last here.
Who else is going to enforce this were talking about 47 tax code related provisions were talking about eighteen tax increases.
You know this this falls to the IRS I think -- bigger issue here.
Isn't whether we should trust the IRS I think the bigger issue here is in fact -- really murky.
Corley written legislation I think if there's a kind of heaven forbid scandal that comes up around -- it's going to be that has -- that legislation not.
Higher but rich -- is there anybody other than the iris I'm I'm not defending their role in this believe me I don't even like Obama bigger but should the -- -- be the one -- -- I clearly not they've lost the confidence in the American people is he points out look yet at electronic medical record industry in the United States is twenty billion in size.
There's a company called Epiq Systems whose CEO Judy Faulkner is a big Obama donor.
There in a position to get half that business she's the only -- one representative on Obama's commission.
To look into medical records under obamacare.
So I think this thing has many many layers yet to com it just it reeks.
Rick would you trust the IRS to go through your medical records.
Well I'll let you know I I feel odd being in the position of defending the IRS but I'm going to do that my hopes are watching.
And if you're just don't want to be audited Greg faces an anti heavily valued at all you can wait for a Republican to get that.
-- -- medical records thing that's not been too quick to judgment this is a very bizarre lawsuit.
That was brought -- in the Southern California court.
The plane of wouldn't even -- -- -- when his attorney was asked to comment on it.
He said well I really don't know much about -- -- I -- if you -- well well well well well hold on a second Rick -- do you blame -- completely with this environment when the -- has -- -- open everywhere.
Do you blame somebody for not wanted to come public -- his name.
Well sure because they're gonna have to you can't follow watching -- hand and not have the defendant know who you are.
So of course it's it's crazy it's -- and by the way the way it was described.
In the reporting service was quote Vegas odds are that he just it's it's not saying -- -- specific you're -- later we're go ahead.
-- on the spy equipment just to keep in mind the IRS does have a criminal division.
That deals with some pretty -- -- characters Medicare fraud.
Drug drug dealers some of these guys actually carry guns let's again not jump to too much.
You know -- let's wait and see why they were ordering and then finally.
You guys will be going nuts if they created new agency -- be complaining what another agency of government know we were going.
That's now because they have so overreach and I must say great I'm very touched by your faith in the Irish site -- know that you have a longstanding -- court.
Fighting back let me be specific about this complaint because there are specifics here I'm gonna quote from it.
No search warrant authorized the seizure of these records by the IRS agents no subpoena.
Authorize the seizure of these records none of the ten million Americans were under any kind of known criminal or civil investigation.
And their medical records had no relevance whatsoever.
To the -- ran a search but the complaints suggest.
That the -- came -- and took him anyway.
Yeah I mean we don't know the details of who filed this like gets that -- understand it's not a question marks over this lawsuit.
Well listen I like Rick's done under his faith in the IRS he's acted like and beef from mayberry RD -- -- -- working at Paris doesn't IRS -- a hole.
The -- -- to fix the wrong couple seizures of paychecks and houses and the IRS -- so many mistakes in force and -- -- as it is here's a problem your electronic medical records we don't know yet if they're going to be part of your tax return so that's a real problem.
The IRS gets to dictate whether -- whether or not -- adequate affordable coverage they get to find out the cost of your plan the cost of the plan that your.
Businesses are small businesses are giving you whether you were getting insurance from.
The company imports in Newark for a -- mandates which gets slapped against your house -- -- and not just your paycheck.
When your entire household incomes and got it or are they gonna find out ever all of the incoming house.
John Candy let us not forget we don't know how far this goes but they they iris was targeting individuals for their political beliefs that is unconstitutional.
Meanwhile they're hiring 161000 more IRS agents.
-- -- -- agents to check -- on granny is as our chief was saying to make sure she's taken her Metamucil is that right.
We -- this is really bad news the very entity that blunted the anti obamacare ground game just a couple of years ago and actually more recently is now charged with enforcing.
This -- are arguably unconstitutional long the American people.
Let's add that the IRS employees themselves are exempt from obamacare this is a scandal I'm glad recovery.
Of course and there -- also exempt from accounting for the world records as we saw from their conventions of which they spend millions without accounting for their records -- The fact is is that now I think recovery is right -- -- he says look.
If -- if you agree with obamacare you should let the -- but a lot of Americans don't agree with Obama -- -- now it's 55%.
Is this just more proof that it's becoming war on popular.
It is becoming more popular if people find out more about it.
Because what it ultimately means is any government thing means is you're gonna pay more for less.
You're going to be denied treatment and renovations are going to be halted or slowed down.
So whether -- this is unworkable especially in this spreadsheet to -- tech era we're in.
The idea that we must all be quiet -- to this -- right out of Washington this preposterous.
What happens when you ram through legislation and not go in a bipartisan way -- conference to work -- all the kinks the real problem is how we govern ourselves.
Idol Michael the taxes than it.
I don't want to all of that -- and the -- is a big -- is right on target here at pebble is in the details and the war the public finds out about the details like the -- involvement the less they like it.
Of course and I think that's the point IRS's but a symptom in a larger cause here.
Which is the legislation -- -- it is it is what the government has passed as obamacare rich that's the problem is that government is just getting to the more government does the more work we realize how screwed up but it's.
Yeah and I really don't like the discretionary powers it has particularly the IR -- I mean you can very well imagine the IRS taking a closer look.
At companies who CEOs.
You know are conservatives and donate more money to Republicans and Democrats.
You know who on earth thinks that chick fil -- you know not going to be scrutinized more than not.
You know some fast food restaurant the donates to Obama targeting folks for Paula this is the constitution you're not supposed to target folks for their political beliefs that's the First Amendment thank you -- well.
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