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Hi everyone I'm Eric -- welcome to cash and in our cash and crew this week when Rogers Jonathan Hoenig and Tracy Byrnes.
Also joining us this week to move -- welcome everybody.
So you heard about the Verizon being forced to hand over private phone records to Uncle Sam.
But now we're hearing the company may have built a special fiber optic cable directly to the government so can access that information.
Tracy everyone's focusing on the NSA -- a private companies are they selling us out.
Yeah because you know why it's all about transparency Eric I'd get the need to gather intelligence it's important -- to keep this country safe.
We should know what -- -- -- to do this behind our back is so untrustworthy.
Right and I'm really pissed -- About it yeah I think so -- I Verizon also there's a lawsuit I think senator Rand Paul.
Is looking a lawsuit -- suing the government and or Verizon.
For turning interest rates are you -- -- a theory about area Tracy gave -- theory about area 512 or maybe you want to opine on the second gunman theory I mean come on.
You're Alex Jones crazy just yet but these conspiracy theories that you're getting -- by the way because these conspiracy theories.
About business selling out private it.
I didn't -- Eric.
And on Saturday morning I'm so beyond that right now and then you you don't know all that material and -- I didn't use the libertarian.
And the aren't just think it's -- -- he's coming do this without you know.
It's no the only get they're not doing it -- companies only get to be big and successful by protect.
Gone to court to protect their users when no one gets to be big and successful by selling other uses a much more worried about government -- about this let's let me get -- -- people and Jonathan ominous I would Tracy on this one I think it when you violate the Fourth Amendment everyone should stand up and say hey.
I'm not doing this you're violating Fourth Amendment by the way we went -- -- audio content better than I accusation whole lot of -- it.
Hang on we reached out to Verizon we wanted to comment what -- whether or not they built the fiber optic cable directly to the NSA so they -- data mine -- and our butts.
Apparently you know can hear me down near me now they never got back -- mr.
-- makes it makes no sense at this.
Well if the government needs to figure out who the best way to do surveillance -- they got a call the companies that have been keeping massive amounts of data on us.
We are so concerned about government surveillance.
What about it it's more -- just for the corporate surveillance that's been going on verses the government doing it for security reasons.
The Financial Times has this calculator you can -- -- -- information on yourself.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Doing the media if I'm pregnant if I have cancer makes me more worthy to them let's get that.
-- -- a very big difference here is when you sign -- what -- -- user agreements as you can data Miami.
You you gave up your rights the government we never signed that deal with -- government doing playing.
I I the problem here is more fundamental -- We have essentially -- a fascist economy in which big.
I mean Jonathan is promoting all you gotta get big well that's wrong you know it's small you got big government.
Big business and big labor and they're all in cahoots.
And then -- listened Verizon didn't do this on their own right.
I mean the government leases that lying they provided the financing to have horizon the government and Verizon are handed and go out.
The government in G a hand in glove we got five makes up for banks is really nice state control over 60% of the banking at that everybody is too big.
-- -- -- -- -- -- And you don't get our president -- -- Aaron I got a giant Verizon doesn't nothings they're all you know adopting a Verizon didn't actually actually nothing and wait you wanna small phone company great input -- -- -- together.
A small phone company is not commit to serve anyone a little -- -- -- -- -- -- -- you don't know what.
Yeah just finish it out -- about some you do not know our -- one wanted to -- -- the -- point one Paula JC's Jonathan says rises on nothing but as far as I understand they.
-- -- -- -- Having this morning John and this is so not you yeah now this this thing this kind of -- that people like viewers both at eight.
If you want to gather intelligence tell -- parent.
-- I -- signed on the dotted line.
It says -- You're going to be protected we got this look -- everything -- from New Jersey to Virginia we just want you to know about nobody ever did back.
Hang on you guys -- -- let me read history let me read this yeah I got to do this I carry this in my pocket every single day it's not a prop.
It's the US constitution Fourth Amendment to the constitution 7091.
These guys saw this the right of the people to be secure in a -- in their houses and their papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures -- even mentioned probable cause in the Fourth Amendment Jimoh.
There's no probable cause to data mine a million people.
Well if there's a real threat and they are responding to -- than they have to I've heard this compared to if you're looking for a needle in the haystack.
You have to get the haystack.
And so when it comes to giving up a little bit about security are a little bit of our freedom for security -- -- -- -- -- to people I can't let see what happens though.
Let me do this is nothing new this is nothing new in 1979.
The Supreme Court said that our phone records one not and you know that was not -- and I can't expect and I got a couple -- -- Bring us our Jonathan I -- you wanna jump in here wait here's the issue.
The FTI -- told us they can go back in the -- did that they have and go back and listen to our phone conversations.
Do you trust the government that they won't be doing that -- say that they won't be doing that with those millions -- -- millions of phone conversations that.
They have all bars.
Eric I don't trust the government to do winning thing.
They are morons the stock -- They are taking advantage of it and you are absolutely right when you say that.
Collecting information in bulk that was -- would not a specific thing under the Patriot Act alone it has to be specific because the judges who signed that you have to be very careful about what you're doing really has not including the issue approximately all the way in job but your wrongs don't at a luckily -- Come -- the -- I believe bought amendment if they thought the amendment is absolutely right -- right to read that.
My job and well you're you're completely come -- the issue.
Verizon knowing your dad -- dozen -- your fourth amendment rights but yes I grew with the panel the government soliciting in the name of quote national security.
Is enjoyed so you present a false choice that we have to give up our privacy or not -- -- and if you want to.
A fight terror why not start by actually naming it and you call it Jihad actually fighting a war not standing on Americans what's scary that we -- to believe that that's what action would governments -- why do not just go give him rest and what did win -- war.
But actually what Bulgaria that Tracy but the issue here in the end of what this segment was the way we -- segment was Verizon rolling out the red carpet building a fiber optic lines of the DNA say can data -- That's right and -- -- -- at this.
And we made the point that they didn't do this come on now with their money they didn't do this out of their pocket Philanthropic glee you know they got funded to do this so again.
It is all this Covert stuff.
Gather all the intelligence you need just -- the American people know you're doing it.
Go ahead -- of the order but.
Well first I still heard no evidence interest keeps saying they didn't get money to do that that we have no evidence that they've done anything and it.
If Verizon hash -- I didn't Verizon did share information it comes only.
At the end of government forcing the critical but I that we electronic Java beans are caught it right.
What I would be an immediate failure stop I love you brother but we didn't make this up on -- -- there are.
This is reported by the New York Times and it comes directly from a lawsuit that was brought against Verizon for doing exactly it really does make up we made about let's say the -- the fiber optic line.
No this was reported this is this isn't.
This is real John it's happening I mean it's got a scare the Jesus died at least you know it if it had anything happening it comes only at the end of government -- of bequest of government force no.
I and what it looked like I don't I probably would willingly violated we are at their -- again I have to confront it's that we get we go on and on on the -- but.
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