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He Verizon being forced to hand over private phone records to Uncle Sam.
But now we're hearing the company may have built a special fiber optic cable directly to the government so can access that information.
Tracy everyone's focusing on the NSA -- a private companies are they selling -- out.
-- because you know why it's all about transparency Eric I'd get the need to gather intelligence it's important -- to keep this country safe.
We should know what's happening -- -- to do this behind our back it's so untrustworthy.
-- -- -- -- -- -- About it yeah I think so -- so -- Verizon also there's a lawsuit I think senator Rand Paul.
Is looking a lawsuit -- suing the government and or Verizon.
For turning interest rates you know you get to -- John a theory about area Tracy -- -- theory about area 512 or maybe you want to opine on the second gunman theory and you come -- You're Alex Jones crazy just yet but these conspiracy theories you're getting close by the way because these conspiracy theories about business selling out -- it.
I didn't -- Arab.
Yeah and on Saturday morning I'm so beyond that right now and then -- you don't know that.
Perry and Verizon used to live Bulgarian.
And the aren't just think it's behind -- coming do this without you know.
No the only get they're not doing it Tracy companies only get to be big and successful piper tech.
Acting and respecting their customers that's why a lot of big tech companies -- I can't.
I -- we're actually.
Gone to court to protect their users when no one gets to be big and successful by selling other uses a much more worried about government and about business let me get -- -- people and Jonathan ominous I would Tracy on this one I think get when you violate the Fourth Amendment everyone -- stand up and say -- I'm not doing this you're violating Fourth Amendment by the way we went -- -- audio content better than I.
An accusation -- a lot of them.
Hang on we reached out to Verizon we wanted to comment what big whether or not they built the fiber optic cable directly to the NSA so they can data mine -- our butts.
Apparently you know can hear me out here you know they never got back mr.
-- makes it makes some sense out of this.
Well if the government needs to figure out who the best way to do surveillance who're they gonna call the companies that have been keeping massive amounts of data on us.
We are so concerned about government surveillance.
What about it it's more -- just for the corporate surveillance that's been going on verses the government doing it for security reasons.
The Financial Times has this calculator you can peninsula information on yourself.
They'll tell you how much -- -- I've dug up this -- I'm worth a dollar -- -- same -- difference let me campaigning here.
Doing the media if I'm pregnant if I have cancer makes me more -- to -- let's get back.
Savannah today difference here is when you sign up what -- -- user agreements as you can data money.
You you gave up your rights the government we never signed that deal with the government -- right -- I I the problem here is more fundamental -- We have essentially a fascist economy in which big.
I mean Jonathan is promoting -- you've got to get big well that's wrong you know it's small you got big government.
Big business and big labor and they are all -- who.
And -- -- listened Verizon didn't do this on their own right.
I mean the government leases that -- they provided the financing to have horizon the government and Verizon are handed go up.
The government in G a hand in glove we got five makes -- for banks gives me in the -- safe control over 60% of the banking at that everybody is too big and that.
What they're -- we have -- call centers and our favorite number on the and you don't get our resident I don't know think -- -- -- John -- has done nothing -- all you know dumping on Verizon didn't actually in actually nothing and wait you wanna small phone company great you -- -- you didn't him to get there.
A small phone company is not commit to serve anyone a little while -- -- -- -- -- You don't know what.
Yeah just finish did not go about some you do not know our white white wanna -- allegedly -- point one Paula Tracy -- his -- -- done nothing but as far as I understand they.
I don't know -- he's not very -- metadata.
Having this morning -- this is so not you go.
Out -- this thing this kind of stuff that people like viewers both at eight.
If you want to gap -- -- and still -- there.
They're great -- -- signed on the dotted line that says hey.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Well if there's a real threat and they are responding to -- than they have to I've heard this compared to if you're looking for a needle in the haystack you have to get the haystack.
And so when it comes to giving up a little bit about security are a little bit of our freedom for security I think that's -- connecting people I -- I still haven't found.
Let me do this is nothing new this is nothing new in 1979.
The Supreme Court said that our phone records one not that -- know that has not happened that I can't expect and I got a couple of -- Bring this out John that I wanna jump in -- wait.
Here's the issue the FBI has told us they can go back in the -- did that they have and go back and listen to our phone conversations.
Do you trust the government that they won't be doing that -- say that they won't be doing that with those millions -- -- millions of phone conversations that.
They have all bars.
Eric I don't trust the government to do winning thing.
They're morons to start -- There are taking advantage of it and you are absolutely right when you say that.
Collecting information and bulk.
That was and would not a specific thing under the Patriot Act alone it has to be specific because I -- -- judges who signed that you have to be very careful about what you would totally thought.
I'm -- the issue approximately all the way and just put your wrongs don't at a luckily -- Polluting nation believe bought amendment if they thought the amendment is absolutely right -- right to read that.
My job and well -- -- completely come -- the issue.
Verizon knowing your dad doesn't -- your fourth amendment rights but yes I grew with the panel the government soliciting in the name of quote national security.
Is enjoy tell you present a false choice that we have to give up our privacy or not fight terror and if you want to fight terror why not start by actually naming -- calling it Jihad actually fighting a war not standing on Americans what's scary that we come to believe that that's what action would governments -- why do not just go -- -- -- rest and -- into that war.
But actually -- Bulgaria that Tracy but the issue here in the in the what this segment was when we intro this segment was Verizon rolling out the red carpet building a fiber optic lines of the DN SA can -- -- Right and we made -- pointer at this.
And winning the point that they didn't do this come on now with our money they didn't do this out of their pocket Philanthropic -- you know they got funded to do this again.
It is all this Covert stuff.
Gather all the intelligence you need to -- the American people know you're doing it.
Go ahead John of the -- but.
Well first I still heard no evidence -- interest keeps saying they didn't get money to do that that we have no evidence that they've done anything anecdotally.
If Verizon -- -- I did the president did share information it comes only.
At the end of government forced -- -- -- -- confidant that we electronics don't Libyans -- caught the right.
What I would be an immediate failure stop I love you brother but we didn't make this up out of thin -- This is reported by the New York Times and it comes directly from a lawsuit that was brought against Verizon for doing exactly we just -- up we made about let's say the book the fiber optic line.
No this was reported this is this isn't.
This is real John it's happening I mean it's got a -- the Jesus died at least you know it if if -- it happening it comes only at the end of government for the big quest of government force no.
-- -- my -- would willingly violated we are at their customer -- -- -- -- that we we go on and on on the kids but.
I'm guessing what we'll talk about it again sometime soon coming.
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