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Now the NSA leaker Edwards Snowden is defending his decision to reveal government secrets now some are calling him a hero.
Others see him as a trader.
So here's an interesting question what would George Washington have done with Edwards -- or somebody like him.
Logan -- is the author of blood of tyrants it's a new book about George Washington the military leader.
Who became president and no Logan's our guest today good to have you here thank you -- obviously no Internet in George Washington's day therefore no -- that.
No National Security Agency some people think that the constitution.
Is -- dusty old document that couldn't have possibly anticipated.
The kinds of questions -- -- dealing with today so you tell me what would George Washington have done with Edward -- -- Washington based men just like -- Snowden and he's sentenced them to death.
So the founding fathers -- we'll be wary of NSA surveillance program.
Because we did fighting a revolution to rid ourselves of government intrusion after all.
But the same time once he won and we establish represented.
-- republic that we have now been demanded that the people follow their own loss so -- is so you think Washington would not much -- cared for the NSA surveillance.
But he really would not of liked hearing Edwards -- legally secrets.
That's absolutely right so Washington was master -- -- she was collecting information what there was intercepting weather's.
But what was -- -- was that there -- transparency and oversight and I think that would trouble him with the issue before us now even more troubling to him -- -- the -- that.
-- -- -- -- -- -- Olin -- the lawful means that he had to expose the sort of thing without.
-- secrets to our enemies and endangering us some fascinating stories in this book including the fact that that.
He defended even.
Even I guess to the death you could say his political enemies George Washington's.
Political opposites he defended them.
Yes we did yes he was here's a man who put principles above his own personal gain.
And when it comes sits on the big issues of our time like we're about to get under way with a military tribunal for Khalid Sheikh Mohamed.
George Washington's approach.
George Washington we have had -- -- days after capture.
For him there's a strong divide between American citizens -- which she was.
I'm very careful to defend their liberties -- foreign nationals which in which she was.
To be quite ruthless and he needs needs.
Strong and defend us from them and it should be pointed out that in that day not all of the military opponents were wearing uniforms right.
That's absolutely right so -- he -- spies he dealt with his own people rising up against him.
And he is able to Parse through that and maintain a balance between liberty -- we've just come through -- of the big arguments over waterboarding what would -- Washington do when it came to employing rough interrogation techniques if it meant saving lives.
Some -- Washington his morally opposed to torture but he's actually even more morally opposed to laying Americans die.
So in the beginning the war he want to raise our our behavior above the barbaric -- the past.
But then as worm goes on he sees that torture may be a necessary evil he starts speaking about how could be justified.
Interest and sold the book is blood of tyrants it's fascinating read about George Washington really up to the time he becomes president.
-- -- right so look at when they're thinking when they wrote the constitution -- really interest in November and thanks for sharing some of those thoughts with us thank you step.
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