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-- -- it's an -- I think -- I think he has.
Committed crimes in fact -- violating.
Given the position he had.
He was a contractor employed but he obviously had been granted the top secret clearance.
And I think it's one of the worst occasions in my memory.
Somebody with access classified information to an enormous damage to national security interest of the United States.
Now -- former Vice President Dick Cheney speaking about the so called NSA whistle blower yesterday during an appearance on FOX News Sunday.
A Vice President Cheney fiercely defended the domestic surveillance program which was at least in part implemented following 9/11 what sets.
We made a decision based on 9/11 that we no longer had a law enforcement problem and we're war.
And congress in fact authorize this the president to use military force to deal with the crisis and we set this program up.
Back and the weeks after 01.
We briefed certain members of congress chairman ranking member of the Intelligence Committees than we did at my office in the west -- -- -- command George -- I was there.
And we give them the -- of what we were doing and what we were running from it.
Eventually we did it for the elected leadership of the congress both parties both houses.
So who we had senior officials in the congress and eventually -- -- solidifies a court -- were read into the program knew what we were doing and had an effect signed off on.
Are joining -- not respond to the vice president's comments -- Wisconsin congressman Jim sensenbrenner now he was one of the authors of the Patriot Act but now says.
But the Obama administration's actions are both un American and unlawful congressman good to see you welcome.
Happy to be -- -- about a way I heard you just had a birthday happy birthday to you -- Thank you very much I love it -- it -- it may be older but it may be wiser true well you -- -- that you're one of the guys that has always been on principle which I admire and I've I've been I know you've been there awhile fighting for the fighting the good fight every day.
To what do you think about that question about -- need to have any thoughts traitor hero and mix in between forty staff.
-- is definitely a criminal for violating his old then this -- classified material.
If he's giving his future will be either the Chinese -- the Russians -- is a traitor but we don't know that yet I think we will soon.
Yeah I -- there's a part of me congressman I'm glad he revealed this.
There's a part of me that's concerned you're right if he goes to China or Russia.
That would that would concern me.
All when you wrote the Patriot Act is what we've heard about the prison program is that is that within the law.
-- clearly is not within the law.
-- -- the most difficult things in getting the Patriot Act passed was the business record section of the law which is called section 215.
And in order to get the act passed it was limited.
It was limited to only be getting the business records of a foreigner not an America.
Who is the target of an authorized terrorism investigation.
It did not law the dragnet style.
That we have seen in the prison program and -- the NFC.
Revelations that have occurred today.
Former house intelligence committee chair Pete -- of Michigan.
I actually said that what the Obama administration is doing is the bush administration on steroids.
This is clearly beyond the laws I have outlined it.
And it's unfortunate that the Justice Department and the -- court did not follow the law and justice -- petition.
To the court in the court approving it.
You know it's very interest in this a liberal website out there and they said that I've changed my opinion -- -- supported the Patriot Act I support data mining I supports imbalance and I support -- courts.
But I don't support the administration did and and my consistent with the with what the law is.
Are consistent and I agree with the every one of the points that you made -- -- How we have to balance security.
But the respect for civil liberties which is made our country different than any other country in the world.
I think I did that when I drafted the Patriot Act now obviously were going to have to have some changes in section 215.
And -- the in the law that authorizes the fight is a court to do what it has done.
I don't know exactly what those amendments need to be.
But obviously this program has got to be -- yet.
You know we should look at the business records of people who were targets.
And who are foreigners.
But we don't need to grab everybody's phone calls.
They can even go to grabbing the phone calls of journalists or members of congress.
Who were protected in one way or the other by the constitution.
So that the administration whoever it may be.
Can see who we are in contact with -- try to figure out how we are building their case to do what -- journalist or member of congress wants to do.
There are no checks and balances here we've got to restore them.
-- congressman a -- broke the law or anybody watching this program breaks a law.
There's going to be consequence at least so I've been told.
Here you are saying they broke not only the spirit by the letter of the law that you wrote.
I don't hear anybody talk about any consequences do you.
The problem he got with the Pfizer court.
-- if they go too far there is no way that somebody who is hurt by their orders.
Can -- to a public court to be able to challenge it.
Now fewer and I were to receive the subpoena order receive the search war and for whatever reason.
We can go to court and try to get that -- because we Knoll.
What they're asking for -- we can make a determination of where there they've gone too far whether it's not relevant.
But nobody knows what the -- a core that has ordered.
And my concern is is that it's kind of like saying that the police have to stop everybody to try to find the one drunken driver on the road.
People should only be accused when there's probable cause.
And I thought that the Patriot Act had been drafted in the narrow way.
So that we would go after foreigners who were targets.
But evidently the Justice Department and the -- is -- have decided to go beyond that you know what congressman has been very.
And lightning edifying and we appreciate your time sir.
Thank you anytime shop right now.
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