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From -- for a moment standing by with the senator Marco Rubio he's a Florida Republican is -- -- member of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
And senator rubio -- have you back on the program as a watching this this news breaking developing a back and times.
Just in it in a bit of a -- about what this really is about this hearing is essentially about why we should trust the government.
With this sort of power.
How would you answer that question.
Well it's difficult -- on the one hand that's national security is probably the number one obligation of the federal government so let's say hypothetically Osama bin Laden had been making phone calls to some state in the United States.
I think all Americans who want to know about that and primarily wanna know what is it that he's talking to because we're sure he's not.
Conducting stock transactions right on the other hand people are concerned there's no news at the United States government accumulates phone data -- metadata as they call it.
Which is meaningful stuff -- -- it tells you where you are you know the located.
That theoretically the position of that -- in Florida building they are just concerned about that too how do you balance those two things very difficult now there are safeguards built into the program.
I think the more we know about that the more of those safeguards are declassified.
In a way that doesn't undermine the program and the more.
Better Americans may feel about it but ultimately we still have this.
This vexing challenge about balancing our need to provide for our national security.
With the real concerns of Americans have about their privacy and and for these programs to be abused in the future by some unscrupulous government employee -- somebody for political purpose.
And we don't have a crystal balls and don't really know what looks like you know what it looks like an occasion that's -- in the big concerns are viewers that you tests on senator rubio did manage your screen general Alexander.
He said it is said that.
Because the information that we have we can better connect the dots you mentioned a lot and the point that they're making is that.
If they had this sort of technology this sort of oversight -- 9/11 maybe would not have happened it's tough to look back on that time period.
-- that's what they're saying the question is though it is this the way senator where where terrorists essentially have already won.
Because we're sacrificing so much of our civil liberties because we're living in fear.
Of another terrorist attack.
Love you look at airports were reminded of that every day I mean look at what all of us have to go through law abiding people that would never do anything to harm Americans or anyone for that matter.
What we all have to go through just to be able to catch the one person.
Who might be something horrible on an airplane or to an airplane are the two Americans on the ground.
So in essence the -- is a very tough part of what we're facing today and I think it's a reminder that this is a war on terrorism.
It's an ongoing conflict with a dedicated group of radical individuals who are intent upon striking the United States -- killing Americans.
And upon hitting us here so how can we do that in a way that doesn't inconvenience or in this case.
Threaten the privacy rights and of of of individual Americans it's a very difficult balance to strike.
I'm the president says that that that war on terror must end.
Well the president's wrong the war on terror must then bit of -- -- on our terms of victory -- -- -- by defeating radical -- -- -- political thought political movement around the world.
-- convincing people that they should join up for the radical Islam that not only is it wrong but it can't possibly win.
I think on the other hand if you start.
Pretending that the war is over doesn't mean it's going to end just because -- -- terrorists doesn't mean they're gonna ignore us just because the president hopes that the war on terror is over.
Doesn't mean that radical Islamic terrorists have gotten the memo and they're gonna go -- some other line of business.
You know we're gonna talk about immigration and we got off topic a little bit here wit that the the big news so I -- I -- it was tacked on a little bit of this crossover between.
Some of the immigration debate.
And what we're talking about now with the surveillance program there's been some questions that have been raised particularly over the last week and her -- about.
I'd immigration bill and issues of privacy concerns from -- your colleagues.
That the expansion -- an.
Is an intrusion.
-- privacy and is in fact the way for the federal government to create and national.
I -- database.
What's the truth one that senator rubio.
Yeah for that's not the intent -- that's not the way it should be used and we should prevent and prohibited from being used not just prohibited but prevent it from being used for that purpose.
I would remind however that many of the opponents of the -- people who have been filing.
And the reason is because we understand fundamentally that the driver of illegal immigration are jobs that are available in the United States and the only way you're gonna cut that off.
Successfully the only you're gonna cut -- off successfully by having a way for employers and requiring employers at a cost effective way to verify that the person at their hiring is legally here.
If you don't do that if we don't have a way of doing that then you're gonna have that magnet for illegal immigration still there.
-- -- an amendment to the bill that will better protect against that becoming a national database.
I think there is an amendment filed already that actually would -- prohibit that make you know make it wrong for them to do that not to say this is not the purpose summit that's the way the bill reads right now.
But I think back to -- in furtherance that we are your prohibited from using this for other purposes and we have a walk like that in place now for other databases.
On the other hand we have to have some sort of we have to be able to say that it is going to be difficult if not impossible.
For illegal immigrants coming to the United States and find a job because -- that's not in place you're gonna continue to have illegal immigration.
-- and the other -- argument of course is that we had millions of people in this country right now we do we don't know who they are we've seen that don't surface and and a variety of other new stories and -- -- we had to leave it there senator rubio we appreciate your flexibility talk with some of the big news of the date of course.
-- we look forward to talk to cancer thank thank you.
Thank you --
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