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And that's is evidence of how some surprises are good.
And so I'm surprised or bad one it's a delicious hi -- you don't know what feelings and there but it's probably delicious the other is a stone fish it looks harmless.
But it's full of perhaps the most deadly poison to mankind swimming in the deep blue -- And this is power -- now what you don't know could be -- Or what you don't know could be poisonous.
-- know what don't you know about the immigration legislation now.
Couple batches of immigration legislation working their way through congress we will talk about that with perhaps do the most studious studious on the subject.
Is with us or wow what an interest of a sudden you didn't think -- -- -- -- -- should I do entry yes it gives me as well Lord Byron it could affect.
And by the way in an initiative we'll talk about that we'll talk about what's going on with the Syria business with our NATO allies.
We'll talk about how the president is losing young voters by the way as an aside.
William Ayers told real clear politics today that Barack Obama should be prosecuted for war crimes talk about losing the base.
We'll do that we'll also congressman Jack Kingston -- aside from.
Raising some rock.
On the hill.
Is running for -- senate seat and Jordan will do all of that we do with good -- So Byron what are the things.
That people don't know.
About the immigration bill that they should.
I think what -- -- fine yeah -- that.
People don't it's not as if they don't know the details they don't know the fundamentals.
Of the immigration didn't even know it's it's it's a three part process in which you start with the eleven million.
Currently illegal immigrants who are in this country.
And you legalize them after they pass a background check them.
And then you institute.
New border security measures and then you put those 211 Leone so -- practices to get a green card they're here permanently.
Legally so what Americans don't seem to -- was much is that it goes in that order because if you look at the polls.
Large majorities favor doing security part first -- in the legalization.
But that is not that works.
Well the village you heard about this today by the way.
Byron is one of those -- calculating the new Washington examiner web site.
Adds of course I guess it would make sense since -- senior political course is that correct.
Chief chief -- with another ten years of being senior it's that.
But the chief political correspondent.
The -- site it's good it's clean it's useful.
And it's available at Washington examiner -- thank you heard much right it does look really good it does it's it's useful which is very different.
Many new website launches are creaking.
I'm an independent widgets this is that this is clean and -- But you.
Wrote today -- I want to -- this amendment that you say could decide the fate of the legislation.
But you also have some breaking news that you know with polls showing.
Lessening support for the legislation and more emphasis.
On border security.
That there's -- urgency that's an -- in this.
Not striking new CNN poll past personal support for the legislation 5145.
Margins we've seen in some other polls.
Then CNN asked.
Excuse me about priorities that you put it should the government and higher priority on border security higher priority on practices -- Independents support higher priority on border security two to one Republicans the -- one.
Democrats are -- on so it really shows that the public does not agree with some fundamental.
Aspects of the bill.
Perhaps not related not -- related to that.
Senate majority leader Harry Reid came out for us this morning the morning business that we are gonna take -- vote on this bill person.
He said he would file cloture on is -- on either.
Friday Saturday Sunday or Monday.
When you file cloture -- means three days later.
You vote for which means the shell in the chase if he does it on Monday -- will be a vote final vote on the bill until amendment final vote.
June 20 Alamo says he's gonna do it before the July he's and it's -- there's no way.
Are you see -- -- -- only the second week of consideration with us and that's a respite and people -- people freaking out about the legislation this -- -- you can't do that and so that's what he says he's going to -- and and there are so -- -- -- -- -- -- one.
Then they voted down Charles Grassley amendment which would have reversed that order just talked and would have -- border security for legalization.
So I mean the did the big one today probably is going to be there's John soon.
That would require.
Building border fence.
Partly before legalization probably before green cards that's gonna get voted -- Yeah but that's no offense is a controversial.
Idea that a -- of boredom Rick -- and other people said.
Fences and there's -- go right right there's a number of that congress passed the secure fence act in 2006.
Mandated building -- -- over.
More than 700 miles of the border.
And congress immediately went back -- -- -- its mandate that -- a year after that so much because that was the Bush Administration if you -- -- -- -- -- said.
We looked and we spent a couple billion and we tried but it's really tough right.
And -- mean and people in Texas certainly do have issues with the -- that is not pay as you say a unanimous issue that's what one of the ones we're gonna get today.
Then the others we've been -- right you've heard of this cornyn amendment.
That has greater border security.
And one of the reasons Democrats have refused it said that they will rejected.
Is that it has another one of these triggers it requires border security to be in place on a plan but to be in place before.
Immigrants go to the green card -- right well OK if -- is not gonna happen.
What about what about something else and there's a group with that Bob worker John open.
The Republican senators from Tennessee and North Dakota more moderate and -- moderate flavor of the public they are putting together.
New border security amendment had a long talk with.
-- last night and for what he told me it sounds like it too will have a trigger.
Before the green card -- process so if what we're gonna do is we're gonna see it Democrats oppose all triggers.
That have to be met before.
Legalization and green card or whether there's something that can.
It's but other than liking -- dislikes.
-- comprehensive immigration legislation working its residents and it says this bill is amnesty.
And then maybe we do border security and the progressives on both sides are pushing it.
For the Republicans there has been an interesting discussion -- received wisdom after or.
The 2012 election was we're getting killed with Hispanics say Republicans we've got to do something to get past this immigration.
And then Ann Coulter and others had -- -- Your share the share of voters who were Hispanic actually declined from 2000 that it so that the truth there -- Somewhere in the shadow lies the truth.
Right for Republicans well it's it's interesting and I've been asking around a lot about this and in which you call received wisdom other people might -- panic after the 2012 election results there's no doubt.
The Republicans were beside themselves for having done so badly.
Among Hispanic voters Mitt Romney won 27%.
While Barack Obama.
So there's no doubt that Republicans are in bad shape -- Hispanic voters concerned.
With passing immigration reform fix that problem and I think that there has been -- shift.
Among Republicans who at one time believes that it had to be and it had to be passed for that reason.
That passing immigration reforms and gateway.
Act that that it's not their his fans would support.
Because they passed immigration reform is just they wouldn't listen anything unless they did so you know you have some of those but I think what is.
That consensus has fallen apart in the presence of an actual deal.
-- -- months before the bill was introduced.
A lot of I mean everybody's supported the big goals to extend coverage to many more millions of people -- like you're currently -- coverage.
You got -- polling numbers -- when the bill came out.
It's like getting a dog wasn't that good idea to start cleaning up after one way but Byron we thank you very much.
And we will we have some follow up questions.
For use it we we will tweet out there and thank you very much going to be okay Internet.
Are you ready -- you ready you should be ready because.
You -- gonna get to hear about President Obama Democrats Republicans young voters and stupid.
How does that affect the political.
State of play in the United States talk about that when we come back -- around.
Hope in the face a difficult -- -- in the face of uncertainty.
In the end -- that is God's greatest gift to us that bedrock of this nation -- and things not -- A belief that -- better days ahead.
There's some people say well -- Obama was this raving liberal before and now he's.
You know Dick Cheney frustrating sometimes there's you know he took it all lock stock -- What a difference.
Term and a little bit more of a presidency can make.
That was Barack Obama first and his 2000 famous -- -- 2000 we're Democratic National Convention speech in Boston.
The faith in better times ahead of very optimistic message objects -- with what he would programs -- public broadcasting service yesterday.
Which is it look I'm not Dick Cheney.
All right so get off my back.
This power play and welcome back so young voters.
Have gotten -- because they didn't like the idea.
The government looking at their FaceBook pages like especially that it's that -- -- stuff and what about the -- uncles and what about the NSA and all of that.
Is this a flash in the end.
-- younger voters and Democrats or is there actually an opportunity for Republicans.
To -- wait a moment.
With the demographic that is currently killing their party.
What about -- people who know will include families she is in fact the executive director of the young Democrats of America welcome -- Thank you and Alex Smith she is chairwoman of the College Republican National Committee.
She is and law student at -- And she -- of your spare time to -- your fellow.
Into this battle so welcome ladies.
Let's start with some context president Obama's job approval rating among eighteen to 34 year -- in the most recent CNN.
In May 63% approved of the president's job performance.
In June it's 48 so that's kind of a drop.
So heavily is this a moment theory should -- Or is -- problem.
I think it's not and that we're doing a segment I think it's really true that I really -- yeah I think it's so important that we keep talking about young people and the fact that they are.
They are an active part in this economy there active part in this country we spent so many years not talking about young people I'm really glad we're -- I had I had.
Proof gasoline I think.
So yeah I think what we're seeing we saw this at the end of the first term we -- at the beginning is that the re the difficult is a reality of governing.
-- -- the president had extremely simple messages.
And yet he was out there -- -- are resonating with young people that we do you see the realities of governing it's difficult.
Its target the president came in saying he was gonna totally -- overhaul the system like -- was gonna change it.
I think he even surprised that it was harder to get things passed and he wanted to -- -- worried -- -- possibility that things to move through.
But you know the American Jobs -- wasn't there.
Anyway the same reason I would I would posit.
That the same reason they don't or or.
Disliking Obama more -- reason they did not like the Republican offerings in the past which is your being uncool you're looking at my stuff.
Is really important for voters under forty really really really important.
And will continue to be more more so the NSA looking at all your stuff and yourself on calls was very popular -- requested it and it's not popular now.
And people -- the government Clinton hater because that's them there the text messages doses but if they want their parent well the interesting thing though -- I think that's -- it's a question of leadership.
In the past election we felt younger voters as a party.
From our standpoint did not go our way -- -- an alternative.
And at least with the president they saw some of which ties with putting out plans even if they knew that they are there weren't terribly effective.
Now we see the realities of these plans that we -- that they're not working you know young people are still unemployed.
More so than any other generations that's what -- to you.
And that they can't find a job -- Two thirds of that team and we'll let you just cited felt that they that they personally and -- out by the government.
I think that is -- to question and -- -- practices.
All right so -- to your point Emily -- It.
The nice way to say it is that we campaign.
Campaign in poetry -- government.
But it is difficult.
The president however does not seem much inclined to.
Explain or have they engage on this argument.
And this has been true on other things going on right now.
I -- -- now.
-- I did just for you.
The that it says Americans just don't understand yet.
And if you followed this style -- you would happen irony is that just tweeted it for you.
A mash note for the Internet.
But the president doesn't seem to want to much engage on this subject it's like yes we're doing and you listen Charley -- knew it was like we're doing it so with great.
You don't understand.
Doesn't he need at some point to keep it if he doesn't want younger voters to start defecting drifting away from -- and remember it's not just that they it's not whether or not they vote for Democrats.
It's whether they vote at all because if they stay home their voice is just as loud in their absence and getting Republicans.
For the president doesn't need to engage more on this and and make it make it stronger argument about wild -- domestic surveillance is a good idea.
So I would actually disagree with the -- the question that he didn't think we need debate on in the first statement that he made about this NSA program he said.
We should have a debate.
That he said that they should be the beginning of that conversation.
You know young people -- so much of their lives on line so much of it is -- to -- messages through social media on Twitter that's out there I'll.
There's so much that's out there right -- -- investment in the late sixties and seventies and they're talking about like you know governments -- much use for it was in the context.
Pictures a political rallies.
So you know you actually had to make the decision to shot to go there are a lot more steps involved now it's every it's so many it's such a large aspect of your -- That feels like the states are a little bit higher with them in the other and were also little bit desensitized.
In every couple months FaceBook keeps saying they're gonna happen but new privacy.
And that more open and and we'll keep they actually take to Facebook's to have.
But a little digital mini protest about it but -- that are actually got off.
-- the and the apathy is the thing at the apathy is the key to success.
44 so for so many when it comes to younger people.
Alex has been a huge -- -- -- but this Hispanic vote that span went the other way.
You couldn't make the demographic problems too over much simpler but pointing out that young people don't vote Republican.
And if you guys can't figure -- waited to -- that what's again you know you you can't make it so.
Is it helpful then when you have so many Republicans defending the president's position on this as far as snooping on -- citizen.
But did it even since the passage of the Patriot Act that there and it robots that it was -- our own party about.
That the nature surveillance yes -- that's.
I wouldn't characterize the partly as a whole as defending the courage her -- are going on.
I think there are a lot of Republicans and a lot of young people out there.
It's a scary thought that this government has grown so large and so on accountable.
We can't we can't know everything that's out there and you know to -- the president spoke about everything commencement address.
-- bigger smaller government.
And and smarter more efficient government but when that Smart more efficient government.
When his own aides say that this is the president could possibly know all the the inner workings of the government is too big for him simply to just that's going on.
With respect to some of the recent scandal.
I think that's -- -- and people I really do.
-- would you like to know what the future of the two major political parties in the United States would be these two women probably will have something to say about it so keep an eye on them ladies thanks for making time for us today.
Thanks all right we -- now.
What about this what about this and I think this is on the -- to think about what we take a brief break.
-- the NSA actually do a sales job to talk about these issues start right you Internet in a way that convinces people.
But doesn't compromise national security it's kind of -- tough tight rope to walk.
-- general Alexander trying to do it again they would check in on that and how members of congress are responding will be with Jack Kingston when we come back cystic.
In recent years these programs together with other intelligence.
Have protected the US and our allies from terrorist threats across the globe.
To include helping prevent the terrorist the the potential terrorist events.
Over fifty times since 9/11.
Was general Keith Alexander he is the man in charge of the National Security Agency testifying in congress today.
This power -- welcome back so what about that -- what about oversight.
That has been harvesting data on pretty much everybody hundreds of millions of Americans perhaps -- billion or more telephone calls a day.
Is the oversight enough how's it working.
Somebody who knows it's Jack Kingston he's a congressman from the great state of Georgia congressman Kingston while.
-- -- -- -- -- You bet all right so this is a pretty tough sell.
For the NSA to say we can't tell you what we're doing but trust me we're doing it right.
And it's used.
I'm here a lawsuit from minute okay what period.
Was -- -- sales and what do you think the sales of the -- -- I think they have a very bad.
Job in front of them very difficult job front of them and the reason why isn't so much just the NSA -- -- -- but it is the IRS is a piece scandalous.
Ben Ghazi -- the changed talking points on Ben Ghazi says that.
Mistrust in government as a way that covers all agencies.
Otherwise I think NSA would have had a much easier job if you will.
I think that the outrage is more on that to fifteen states and the collecting.
The meta data the phone calls that you and I -- Macon.
Each and every day -- you just don't feel good about it because.
This this government this was doing.
Things to their political enemies to the IRS could they not also use your phone records for -- and exhibitions -- -- what do you do when -- taxes what do you do with your personal affairs and if we I think American people feel that well this might not be confined to terrorist activities.
Now that the next part of it was 702 sets and of course is where they are actually reading emails and although that's designed.
For a terrorist suspects particularly non US citizens again we feel like well yes but what is the firewall to prevent them from going further than the original intent.
Of the legislation.
And a lot of the viewers right now are Chiming in on this subject.
That the requisite trust isn't there in the government.
To give them such broad authority to give give -- -- broad authority.
But these kinds of programs necessarily have to operate in secret don't thing.
They they absolutely do and I think that's what general Alexander and all of -- -- -- is -- a disadvantage is they can't tell you everything I think it's very good he's product that.
This program has disrupted fifty potential terrorist plots.
In twenty different cases and he mentioned some of them that the idea.
A case that.
Terrorists in Yemen it was blow -- the New York Stock Exchange another one that was then blow up the Danish newspaper on.
You know being specific -- specific as he is able to date I think it's very helpful because it does give us the information that Americans the to make an intelligent decision however I think the over riding emotion that we have right now is right distrust of government.
We just do not believe that they're gonna stay with in the brackets of the original intent.
-- with the -- certainly would indicate now congressman I cannot possibly let you go.
Without asking you about this -- member of the senate -- you guys have put -- -- down in -- now.
You're running -- couple of your fellow house members.
This looks like it's going to be a big bad race what's the state of -- Well I would not call -- a cakewalk we'll yeah.
-- -- George is you know is the largest.
State east of the Mississippi in geographic terms of the eighth largest state in the country nine point nine million people and of course.
I and -- -- on this one mistake every single man that.
If it's a big it's it's the right see you do want to reach out to the grassroots again reached out to the doubters you -- get.
The people in north Georgia and south Georgia you gotta be everywhere at -- plus we all are some of us have this.
Incidental job up there in Washington which is pretty demanding in itself it's it's a -- and job and -- -- doing it's exhilarating.
Are you OK with keeping collegial with -- -- the rest of the members -- delegation.
We absolutely are on Phil -- Paul brown and I have served with each other for many years we've been on the same side more often than not.
We have good relationships often some of our staff.
Crosses paths and works together on various pieces of legislation and things that we're not even familiar with that they're there -- -- -- -- -- We do have a good relationship and -- -- -- -- professional we're trying to keep it based on issues the problem is that you know innate primary.
After a while you have to distinguish yourself from the pack and if you're all four.
A balanced budget amendment and against Obama care that you you tend to say yes.
This guy back in 1960.
Did whatever and so that that's where it gets a little cloudy.
Well it's going to be a race you know we're going to be watching it it promises to be one of the most interest in primaries in the -- -- we thank you produced little insight.
And we thank you for your time -- Well thank you for having me.
And we sure thank you for making time for us today we had fun of you did.
A lot of good chats today a lot of action -- like to see that.
So -- -- Jonathan Hunt is up next and half.
As we like to do every day we want to leave you with a.
Work from our franchise.
Look at their search for around -- and moderates is perpetual.
And the answer is always assignments from Iraq.
We go back -- the hostage crisis in 79 we were looking for the moderates.
And Iran -- started because -- -- -- -- advisor.
I was Ronald Reagan of all people had the idea that he knew of some.
Moderates in Iran and he went over -- -- secret trip.
In the end he was swindled and humiliated.
This happens over and over again this is a -- it's not a reality.
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