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Evolving now reaction to stunning new claims that the TWA flight 800 disaster was no accident.
Seventeen years ago and next month.
That Boeing 747 plane went down over Long Island after taking off from New York's JFK airport on route to Paris.
All 230 people onboard.
In the wake of the tragedy investigators painstakingly reconstructed the plane from the wreckage recovered in the Atlantic Ocean.
All -- a range of theories swirled about what really brought the flight down.
The official reason ultimately given for the crash.
A gas tank explosion.
But now a new documentary.
Features several -- -- investigators.
Involved in this case men who worked on this case.
Who say that is flat out wrong.
And they are alleging that there was a cover up.
There was a structural piece of that aircraft lying on them more and they had three holes.
Blown through it like -- -- into through a tin can with an obvious.
Entrance and exit side of the penetration.
I was about to take a picture of it and somebody tapped me on the shoulder and said don't take that picture and I said what we're unit -- and attitude the -- -- an FBI.
Because Jim was not to take a picture that -- He looked around the hangar and found other parts with similar -- And you know I'm looking at this -- I just don't know how these Kurt -- normally in a fire -- you're now.
Primary conclusion was.
-- the explosive forces came from outside the airplane.
Not to center field and.
Joining me now -- style cop he's co producer.
Of the TWA flight 800 documentary.
And joining us by phone is Jim call -- he's the former lead FBI investigator.
In this crash and -- thank you both very much for being here.
Jim if I could start with you by phone because you are featured heavily in the documentary elbow did not participate in it.
And you know you're at the center of a lot of these allegations because a lot of these NTSB guys believed that was the FBI who covered this up.
They are suggesting although not coming right out.
And saying that this was more likely the result of a missile.
That took down this flight and they suggest that the FBI and others worked to cover that up your thoughts.
Consecrated idea there is nothing could be further from the truth.
-- we trend over.
Heaven and -- Particularly for the missile load very.
The FBI thought it was a good chance to missile would be sure that the airplane we -- there -- -- missiles.
Well alt the world stolen from national got to -- -- -- -- So the -- and -- I had working on this matter at its peak.
We had at least a hundred they're looking at the -- there.
-- we brought in next virtual China lake in from right -- and it was -- but the experts that the but a missile experts the united states military.
We had some experts and MIT.
I brought in special.
-- form of -- -- -- stroke elbow or aluminum and of course our metallurgy and and he has speech that metallurgy change.
We looked at every piece of that airplane multiple times.
By all different category of catch -- We knew all about different muscles and probably explode the type -- it's that that could be used.
And that we all of that city and believe me.
And I had a vested interest in this investigation not because I was the FBI this -- picture because one of my dearest friends white died on -- by.
Understood -- this is a picture of you are holding up a piece of aluminum YouTube showing that you did conduct some tests trying to see what it would look like the missile had hit.
The aircraft I want to bring in Tom ask you Tom.
You're a physicist who just took -- citizens' interests in this case and then really began following -- and you hooked up with these NTSB -- six of them.
Who were on the investigation not random NTSB as they were they were on this crash.
Investigating it and they believe -- you do that this was not a gas tank explosion your response to what we just heard from the former FBI director was on the case.
Not sure they did look firm evidence that the missile that's true but the main thing they're looking at -- -- -- things that happened when the missile exposed very close the medal.
What there was evidence which they neglected to to focus on.
-- -- -- -- missile explodes some distance from the aircraft's aircraft that would not leave those signatures that a bomb or missile would it would if it exploded near the aircraft.
Now there were holes -- directed into the fuselage from the outside and that's documented.
Some have high velocity characteristics characteristics that's documented.
Richard bought from China lake did come out just like -- mr.
And he said well you know there is evidence consistent with a missile diving down above the aircraft -- coming down near the left the left wing.
But hey I just can't imagine that happening that that's what he says and -- report.
But in fact that's what the witnesses said this is a -- -- those optic McCain.
From -- on his left side.
From above went down exactly consistent with -- Richard -- of China lake that did come out and look at this wreckage.
-- -- -- I ask you because -- this is a clip from the documentary in which they play some of your statements about.
What witnesses said on the subject of was there a missile and then they play a bit of a CIA animation that suggested.
You know the plane broke the nose came off and then the body of the plane continue to us and and the film.
Calls that cartoonish and not possible I want to show this clip and get you to react to.
There -- about 200 people.
That saw events in the -- that they describe.
None of which described the missile.
Just after the aircraft exploded.
It -- up abruptly.
And climb several thousand feet from thirteen 1800 feet to about 171000.
Those who said they saw something -- and culminate in an explosion probably so the burning aircraft a sand and erupt into a -- Not a missile.
Not a missile.
Never was never will be to see a video.
-- what do you think of that tonight cartoon.
Did you happen to watch this CIA animation about what happened yes I think.
And what do you think about that enemy that animation.
Anything that I saw in any way whatsoever.
And again for our viewers -- Jim is with us by phone that is you -- the FBI investigator featured in that that clip.
This is the first you've had the chance to react to -- your thoughts.
Well American the other seventeen years ago and -- -- -- -- is a serious because I remember it.
And whether it's so amateurish -- not as irrelevant.
There was no evidence so the -- the plane.
We try it all types of missile war -- -- carcasses.
-- west than in the graveyard where I go.
So we could have a database support despite the damage looked like missiles outside and missiles inside.
And it might last meeting on -- all the experts -- management military.
All of our Miller just -- All the other people came in.
And that I set to them look this is something we're missing here.
Is this something that that can't be seen.
You know we should take further investigation -- -- there was no by everybody so it was -- under and so both experts and and I believe me we left no rocks and turned on this -- And whether or not someone like the animation or whether some eyewitness.
If you see what the body should city eyewitness testimony is usually terrible to begin with I don't use that as -- -- that's just the fact.
So in the bought out the bottom line is.
You know -- -- -- new evidence comes from the plane that's still an anger.
Somebody should go and Shelby NTSB what you're talking about how much -- looked at numerous -- Let me get you to weigh in on -- -- Yes sir -- well and -- all this dude to -- all due respect mr.
calls from you did or that CIA animation.
To -- placed the actual witness testimony.
You're a letter to the NTSB three days before their first public Karen Democrats three weeks after that -- -- there was released specifically requesting the NTSB chairman not.
Allow any eyewitness to come and testify.
To date not a single eyewitness out of 670.
That -- investigators located at ever testified publicly on this.
Why did you -- -- the CIA.
To create this obviously falsified.
Animation which showed an aircraft climbing which is physically impossible it's actually impossible based on the radar evidence.
If you're gonna climb that sharply.
That plane's gonna have to slow down just like when you ride a bicycle bay hill.
The radar data shows no reduction and -- how you gonna get that climb.
It's not gonna happen so the plane didn't climate turned left and went down has our animation shows.
The eyewitnesses if you wanna really tell the world what the eyewitnesses saw let him testify that's what you should have done back in 1997.
And I think he should request -- that's done right now.
Jamal Ali you weigh in on that and and I aren't like you to quickly weigh in on.
Why what in it why would there be a conspiracy to cover this up.
You know I don't know American and they're just -- NTSB investigators are on site and they had problems with.
You know these separate agency to promote investigations -- -- You know mechanical that pilot ever noncriminal ones that they have problems -- bit chief engineers and you know they certainly could overcome the -- that could have been real man.
And -- whistle blows back that one if they want to -- their conclusions.
We've -- have actually done something about it not seventeen years later now that they've got their government pensions -- -- -- You know -- I think just the it's a crazy idea and I protect its particularly offensive to me that this -- -- forward now I'm optimistic employer know whether it's.
It's that incorrect or correct -- notes and correct but in particular family that went through hell on this bank this families that we -- we're totally.
Bonded with exploding.
The young lady that I was in her wedding in her husband was an agent that work with great.
And the FBI office so the notion that I would cover up something.
And I don't recall selling and the SP not to just did not interview anybody could -- -- -- -- wanted to do their agents.
Understood and Alan I tell our viewers and there's so much more to say -- and and that the documentaries fascinating.
-- although you know Jim would say incorrect but it is fast.
Fascinating just like that whirled the block there's insurance when it.
Is they still it is but.
Folks -- check it out they can hear Tom's full theory and it's not just Thomas the NTSB investigators -- interviews as well.
It's going to be on -- July 17 the -- crash 8 PM on the cable network.
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