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-- I'm KT McFarland.
Well -- massive attack against the US and global oil industry is called hash tag.
-- from an effect start tomorrow June 20.
Hackers anonymous hackers are targeting oil and gas facilities in the United States.
Saudi Arabia -- along with other countries.
So is all that's just high.
-- should be.
Really be concerned what finances mart -- he's a senior researcher from immunity and he's coming into us from Miami this cyber security expert.
Welcome mark thanks for coming on the show.
Yet thanks for having me OK so is this just -- it.
Or is this something that really could -- -- there are actually involved in the oil industry and the United States.
Honestly it could be there could be some -- behind it because.
The hackers who are behind this a non -- is what they're calling themselves.
And they were also responsible for operation USA and operation Israel which ultimately failed so.
And -- was a month ago so if they if they if they don't have any other tricks up their sleeve if and that they haven't recruited any more groups.
Then I don't think this is going to be we can label it operation not that scary.
A move it more than a month ago there was an attack on the Saudi.
Oil industry computers in Saudi Arabia Iran -- computers and that was a pretty significant serious thing.
But that looks like it came from the government -- -- this is something different right this is.
This is individuals it's not a country that's responsible for -- I this is different this is this is Muslim hackers who are.
Of which earned the currency.
Of -- There right -- that lack claim the credit for something big can't thank.
Now I think that what what what's behind this one is the motivation to get the the currency.
To be of the country from which -- oil is being exported in this case they're upset that their oil is being treated in the dollar and that's the main motivation behind the attack.
The other motivation behind attack is what they'd stated in there in their public.
Is that they.
They're upset about.
Super powers basically taking control and so it's basically 222.
Reasons for the attack and that's why -- the.
This is going to be a lot more broad as far as who's going to join us attack.
OK so this is aimed at the United States but if -- are talking about bringing down.
Saudi Arabia other other countries particularly -- producing countries have that -- boomerang and affect those countries.
On the Muslim countries.
I'm sorry can you repeat that -- If if the attack is against the oil industry but you also said it's against Saudi Arabia.
And other countries presumably and they -- producing world how is it's not an attack really against.
The countries that the mud -- the hackers are coming from.
Well they they've specifically targeted twelve different countries and there are some Middle Eastern countries that are targeted.
But they have made specifics.
They'd said specifically that they're only targeting government.
And it's not the actual country itself so it in the statements it's actually emphasize that it's only government so.
These are predominantly Muslim attackers who who are who are coordinating this attack.
But they are not going to targets the country as a whole.
A bit what does this mean for you and if I pull up to the pump tomorrow.
Got to my gas station might.
Gonna get gasoline.
-- You're definitely gonna get gas the gas and Clinton I think there.
There there -- is usually to do it's called distributed denial service attacks which will cause lots of traffic gets the web sites.
And externally facing resources of any company and its affiliated with the oil industry.
But in all reality it's your still gonna be able to get your gas it's not -- affect the price in order for them to actually succeed.
At what -- -- attempting it would mean a complete hijacking of the oil industry as a whole and only release it.
I -- with a ransom.
Basically okay yeah expertise as and then cyber security.
Not only are we talking about what would happen if the oil industry was shut down in the United States -- but the -- can say about the bigger threat.
Coming from hackers.
Either state sponsored hackers or individuals or karma criminal hacker elements that go after -- critical US infrastructure not just the oil industry but.
You know the electric grid there -- water supply system the entire banking system you made reference a few minutes ago.
To be attacks that were against Israeli.
Leaders -- and revealing their bank accounts this is something we've got to be worried about going forward that our entire infrastructure.
Is in danger.
I would say that that is probably what they NSA is focusing on the NSA is focusing on the fact they they're not scared of a fourteen year old.
Her hacker from pure and there's is -- About the cloud cover that this is causing that a nation state to get behind.
To actually embed themselves within the infrastructure to cause damage that they could or embed themselves for later use in time of conflict.
I think that that is a real threat.
Okay Michael Hayden former head of the CIA.
I was been on the show before general Hayden.
It's sad that the next Pearl Harbor attack is a cyber attack he's also said.
That cyber war is the next battlefield and we've already started the cyber war.
What are some of the things that countries can do to other countries -- -- individuals.
In this new battlefield.
I think I think you hit on the point already is the fact that.
Right now I'm -- even President Obama he ended up today he was in Berlin talking about the reduction of -- -- strategies.
And what we're doing is essentially.
Increasing our cyber strategies because that's what's effective that's what's getting you in these days.
And that's the possibility of getting into and a critical infrastructure like electricity or oil.
And that's where it's gonna hit their countries the hardest.
And so who's protecting against this is as a government Horry each individual company or industry.
Have to protect itself.
For the most part each company is is solely responsible for their own security.
But the government has been lending a hand at helping the banks and in previous attacks against that anonymous has threatened US banks for example.
The government has stepped in to lend a hand at helping them and and banks themselves local.
Cooperate with each other.
To better protect themselves against these coordinated attacks.
OK well thank you very much mark mark -- -- From immunity incorporated -- strategic analysts and cyber security expert and I guess we're gonna gonna have to see what happens tomorrow.
Is the -- industry brought to a screeching halt the -- just -- want.
Earlier today I had the opportunity to speak to doctor for a lot as Johnny he's a senior fellow at the Hoover institution anything author of the Syrian rebellion.
We discussed the ongoing civil -- in Syria between the Asad regime and the rebels.
For joining us -- flood -- -- from the Hoover institution.
One of the country's great Middle East experts I'm thrilled to have you back because you've written a book about the Syrian rebellion -- now.
Have the debate president -- is arming the Syrian rebels and a limited way.
What's your take on the.
Too little too right I think I'm gonna -- -- words which I suppose is permissible on television absolutely it is too little too late -- was move you know there is no structure to the argument.
That the Obama administration is making you don't really understand what they're doing it is so it's almost like we have to do something -- because obviously.
The the -- -- sensitivity is is entrenched.
I think the Obama administration owes that to the laws of gravity would work.
And the bushel full when he hasn't fallen and I think when when we take a look at the landscape.
In city and announce it is one thing is -- Hezbollah has won the -- -- that has won Russia has won it on his one and the democracies and got a moderate states of.
Lost I was just in his room for a week and I was -- -- Syrian border where the Syrian rebel forces are fighting the aside army forces.
That conclusion that and I'm almost all the Israelis I talked to political leaders military.
And journalists and even though they may -- say it publicly but concluded that al-Qaeda.
Is really the main group of the rabble so any -- are we really at this point arming al-Qaeda blew my.
Army on Qaeda I know you had an excellent piece on on on fox dot com.
I liked it very much and disagreed with the Vanity Fair I think if we take a look at the rebellion the city -- -- -- what is inside that rebellion.
What's inside that -- billions of Barbara's -- that is.
Young men -- small villages in the city and countryside.
People who watched that sisters being the brave people who -- their towns being destroyed and then after reliant.
-- came and Qaeda elements that -- people from Tunisia from UPI and I can listen to them sometimes.
Because of my knowledge about it -- -- can -- the accident.
That they're -- the city and so there are there -- city is committed to democracy committed to a normal life it's not even democracy.
And then so Qaeda elements and applied to elements -- empowered by the fact that no one came to the rescue.
So in other words maybe if we had gotten about two years ago would think -- be in a different place right now that's nuclear President Obama could dip into the intensity on his own terms.
But he didn't -- you -- the 2013.
The landscape is different.
And now the hope is that somehow or another we can plead with the Russians but that -- is a very clear.
They're defended their own interests they have and David -- that is they have been highlighted that they are doing what they can for the onside.
It's actually the American position which is completely and accept.
To a -- and then let's say there's is okay good conclusion to this insider the Islamist rebel forces person is aside.
What is there anything United States can do -- -- at this point refuge where the refugee problem -- -- Jordan is there anything we do other than just standby.
-- we can do.
We can do things that would save the civilian even at this perhaps at this late hour.
We can have a no fly zone but we don't want to do it and we can arm that -- and seriously on -- rebellions.
We can give them anti aircraft weapons we can give -- antitank weapons.
But if we give them -- rifles this is not that that we have to commit those those that this is very important to rebellion.
We have to commit dose of to the proposition.
That this -- rebellion and the city and war is destabilizing.
All the city has neighborhoods.
Including around salukis were -- around rather including Jordan switched out of the Iranian elections we've just seen in the last week.
The people are hailing the election of the most moderate.
Of the presidential candidates and say this is a unique opportunity as we can now negotiate with Iran.
-- maybe they'll give up their nuclear weapons program pieces of ham when he -- -- this is just a legend I mean this you know Heidi is a man of the system.
And if people really believe that this election this new president would make any difference I'll take them back.
To the election of Mohammed cuts in May the moderates everyone loves you know everyone loved how much -- me he was president from.
Ninety for him and he was present truth -- eight years in two terms he did not make any difference.
Pilot and Iran is in the hands of the supreme leader and how -- it -- is in the hands of revolutionary guard.
The revolutionary guard as the guns it's controls the economy.
And that supreme leader.
Dominates the questions that concern us the question.
Of nuclear weapons the nuclear issue is in the hands of the supreme need it doesn't really matter.
In and it on who is who is the president so here.
Conclusion and I guess from that is that there's nothing is gonna stop Iran's nuclear weapons president.
They're they're on -- on the road and when you.
And even the sanctions we imposed on them really don't in the end will not change is -- drive to -- nuclear weapons I'm reminded of the pakistanis.
Who announced when they -- in pursuit of nuclear weapons they said.
We would -- the grass enlisted develop the bomb.
And indeed of much poorer countries and Iran was but his son and a deliberate and made it -- When I was in Israel as I said that the conclusion that a lot of people were trying was Iran wants to get nuclear weapons -- -- just -- one.
-- when it breaks out -- could break out with twenty nuclear weapons is how does that change the whole equation in the Persian gulf.
We'll look at this changes everything -- -- you have the regime you have to sit on him regime it's been about.
Majerus regime it's a terrible regime.
We are engaging them badly on our terms if you -- in city they have changed the politics.
Of Lebanon -- run away with Lebanon pulled this without having nuclear capability when they happen and they wouldn't even have great this -- and that -- Do you just gotten back from Turkey and you said something very interesting to me so that you're in Kyrgyzstan -- switches.
Not even a country it's -- -- ethnic tribal group looking for country for decades.
What's your conclusion about.
Its current demonstrations in Turkey is that -- -- Occupy Wall Street or is it to -- square.
Well I think it is what it is it's -- -- it's not really occupied mostly it's much more Politico.
It's not to -- could square I think because.
Look at it we may not like the one but he's not -- about it.
He's not mom and Qaddafi he's been thrice elected since 2002 assists today -- rebellion.
I hit it took Steve and I'll tell us something frightening and this it could this be gentlemen.
It's clear if you would I don't think we get there I think in my opinion of the one mishandling.
This event and he needed wisdom.
But the only thing and -- one likes to display.
The stuff -- he comes from the very tough neighborhood -- -- stumble.
Custom -- against pride in his much so and this new requirement she's moved its acquired in a way.
Softer gentler approach that this -- that is.
And then finally act quickly.
Kurdistan -- what is the likelihood that the Turkish Kurdish tribes and Iran and Syria and Turkey farm their own country when I think I think -- to -- the -- of Kurdistan I was in which was amazing.
In a swanky hotels and -- things that you would not expect to see in Iraqi Kurdistan.
Iraqi Kurdistan is blooming.
The city of the repeal of the capital love of the -- and is in the midst of it creates economic boom.
The city of -- India the second largest the same so that visibility.
The good and decent public order and they're leaving Baghdad and that leading -- -- -- -- To -- terrible wars with the Sunnis and the rest of.
-- well thank you very much that's a tour of the tough spots of the world with a nice.
Final conclusion about -- bill in Kurdistan.
Thank you so much stuck to flatter jamming Hoover institution thank you QT is usually thinking.
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