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The parties there have been fighting for a very long time.
Even before 9/11.
And we don't expect there will be easy but we do think ultimately we're gonna need to see Afghans talking Afghans about.
How they can move forward and then the cycle of violence there -- so that they can start.
Actually building their country.
President Obama pushing the idea that peace talks with the Taliban will -- somewhere towards ending the war in Afghanistan.
Now we're back now -- our panel bill doesn't make.
Does it make sense for the US to broker talks between.
The Afghans and the Taliban.
Is there any reason to believe that the two sides can reach a political.
Settlement agreement to end the war in -- Not -- -- a lasting one and less and you can have to peace talks with an enemy you've defeated.
President Obama didn't -- -- the Irish example is beginning district in Dublin.
The irony is always negotiate these -- than pretty thoroughly defeated in its goals of Taliban does not think they've been defeated especially -- Obama says.
Every time he -- to address the issue of Afghanistan which isn't very often.
Everything he says we're getting out don't -- we're getting -- assess this he can do that -- sending.
-- so I think if you're the Taliban your happiness string on some peace talks to you not -- no incentive to some negotiate seriously we.
We should point out the talks went off the rails almost went off the rails before they even started the Taliban.
Opened an office in.
The double hop -- there you say yet and they put up their slack -- and a sign calling themselves the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan as if they were a separate country and this was the embassy of that country.
It was this was clear violation of the conditions for the talks before and an Afghan President Karzai.
Was absolutely furious.
Here's -- not exactly an auspicious start to the talks.
No I mean they're basically off for now but I don't honestly know how much they could accomplish I don't blame the secretary of state for trying to.
-- course some kind of deal though we have to be realistic this is the Taliban and the idea that they're gonna somehow assign a piece of paper and then stick to that they're just waiting for the United States to leave and the minute Venus -- -- They're gonna go back to whatever they wanted to you have an idea that we're gonna talk -- about women's rights is.
You know and this is theological for them and we're not gonna convince them that women are equal you know so.
And good -- -- -- secretary gas but it's it's -- you know I think it's very unlikely that we can count on anything that they commit to.
Charles big picture what do you make of this entire enterprise and why do you think the Obama administration.
In the Vietnam War was -- a decent interval.
It's a way to show the way negotiate our way out where in fact Obama says one way or the other -- -- This will not accomplish anything that Taliban understand exactly what's gonna happen if the allies the west is -- -- leave.
The war -- resume and they assume they will ultimately.
Defeat the government already in Kabul so they have no incentive to concede anything.
And I think -- I was absolutely right to blow up.
Over what happened yesterday because it was -- -- propaganda move.
There was a way in which the rebels -- the Taliban's.
We're claiming the legitimacy of a government of the previous one.
Between the nine elevenths the government and Obama and -- clip that you showed earlier on the show dismissed it as a couple of words on a law.
I mean doesn't -- understand this is all about who's a legitimate government.
And it to dismiss it as a couple of words to misunderstand.
Exactly why the rebels are coming to the tablets to achieve legitimacy.
To get equal status in the world with the Karzai government he got one choice in Kabul only got one choice -- the Taliban.
And that is exactly what the Vietnamese -- did in negotiating at the end of that war that was a while we had all the arguments -- with the shape of the table.
-- negotiations who was had the status of legitimate -- government.
Obama would have given it away.
With a flick of man but now we sent to.
Reversed himself -- only because Karzai -- not that stable due to start with flipped out yesterday so so in I understand.
What you're saying about what's in it for the Taliban.
What cover doesn't provide for the US for President Obama because instead of state Nevada on the -- -- -- down -- seats.
How ultimately the war -- -- ended up accomplishing nothing and remember this.
-- -- more Americans have died.
Under Obama in Afghanistan under bush.
Obama as the one who tripled the number of troops -- dollars -- wanted to clear whose church Obama as the -- who wanted to somehow.
Pretend that -- that's nice -- pretend Democrats had run.
Before saying -- bush took his eye off the ball he -- need to invest enough in Afghanistan.
Obama we wanted to vindication of that in the democratic view.
Instead -- let it -- left a lot of Americans dead and he need never intend you know winning the war.
He said -- the say the sentence after announcement of his shares if he'd -- -- So I think it's a way to kind of retroactively -- vindicate.
A surge which obviously is failed.
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