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I'm -- how to welcome James O'Keefe James O'Keefe the third who I gained major national attention.
When he released video recordings of workers and acorn offices in 2009.
His arrest -- nearly 2010 at the office of senator Mary Landrieu and his release of videos of NPR executive and twenty Lebanese offender project Veritas.
And is written breakthrough are guerrilla war to expose fraud and save democracy and Jamie didn't -- expect a likely as much as it meant vehemently of their right.
You're you're you're you're very charming -- we met in the green room appeal rally.
It's -- -- Letterman like you hitter but you know.
We don't have to agree with each other we -- still like each -- people -- little.
-- we might let -- interview that we agree on more than.
Where do you where do you think we agree is that you know I've been very critical view and have -- which makes me especially -- -- -- you -- -- come on the show and have a dialogue so.
Where do you think we can agree.
Well I think -- that there were no book breaks through it talks about you know the power information but how -- -- video and.
And the -- you know when you may not like the facts that are being exposed -- changed but.
-- these videos show fraud waste and abuse of taxpayer funded institutions.
And -- don't take my word -- -- even even just this week that he be lifeline the federal lifeline program.
Jets fired workers caught on tape in our video.
And the he'll apologize and and and so that this is you know recently retrain all the workers.
Don't even know if you're on the left and the -- you're doing -- -- -- -- right your goodness.
It's it's something that's factual it's something that happened and that something needs to be exposed.
Yeah and I don't disagree that there's they need to be exposed I guess I just some people do question -- -- -- methods as I have and in terms of would you just talked about which is I believe the Obama -- issue.
-- -- undercover.
Two was the distributor the cell phone distributor the lifeline the program and hear some of club that audio from that today.
I don't know I didn't went home and get us.
Apparently they don't get it okay they.
Merit and money for heroin I'm good now when you went into the of that apparently you never actually or -- or -- who was working with you never actually got.
The phone right.
That's correct we don't actually crossed the line and actually -- before we just go way up to the line been one change he actually spoke to a gentleman.
The program -- told that is often times does happen testified that in fact.
They do sell -- bonds and buy drugs so undercover reporter said the twentieth century never actually do the actual fraud but -- go right -- the line you should.
Well now it's not the fault of the person who is handing out the phone if he simply saying -- you.
Well look here's what happened some people take this and do traded or use it to get heroin or whatever.
But that's always -- do is factually telling -- That's that's what happens to the possess -- of the phone in some cases wincing at the phone right.
But that wouldn't just that is actually really important point because I think that is where you and I have -- -- it.
I don't blame you low level employees in fact I think the CEO and begin being cowardly by firing his -- people I think it's a systemic problem I think that.
But they're just testifying to what happened.
And their program there there there's incentives built in of these programs to dole out install as the people who don't need them to be.
Right but it wasn't urging you hate take the phone go get some heroin now is input and a Saudi was I don't.
Well in fact in England and one of the scene which is essential crux of the video that one of the employee that this that a wireless program actually on cheeks as.
It's against the law to cell phone but you can quote plead the fifth quote.
As you point that the sign behind -- -- against what she advising us to let her work to break the law I think that is.
We'll play -- there's a -- delight of people have a constitutional right to believe the fifth -- she may have gone over the line but but against Hewitt I don't think that was devising a blow breaking but the flat out.
-- yeah I also have an issue.
And that I think some of what you're doing it's not exposing some of these low level workers as much as exposing.
The media for example -- -- media that reported that phones were exchange when they really weren't often the media has gotten your story wrong.
I mean I -- I released the -- -- tapes are released an awful lot to deal is that people besides themselves though in that case.
It's probably the CEO to acquire its workers and ordered mandatory retraining she did it because there was more information on what -- people on the left and I.
I don't understand until they get in line with a liberal.
I thought and liberal left and all of you being on a lot don't want more information they want less information.
I never I've never advocated this solution I've never asked people to resign and never asked.
Velocity -- put everything we do acorn -- our feet -- -- congress and PR CEO resigned Medicaid workers -- voter ID law that the Judy.
So many results based untrue.
So I don't think -- -- -- anything that happened that you're just a video of people make decisions.
And at some of the decisions I think are wrong that as -- -- -- the -- more of your goals is to expose liberals though.
Expose progressives in some way is not part of what your agenda as.
No I've never ever made that statement I would ask you to -- actually I.
No I'm not I'm asking if that's ever been something you've -- daughter wanted them.
-- -- -- frankly -- never made an ideological statement.
Simply got started the pride in their thoughts and I've only.
Maybe the only thing that I've advocated which again I don't think this is a controversial thing element that is something that that -- disagree with.
I I want more information out there I want everything exposed I admire.
And the people on the left to a -- I think they're doing an incredible job sometimes I feel like I vacation with their tactics when they.
You know in in in some cases the -- it shouldn't be -- much.
I'd like the fact that we have more information you don't like undercover reporting if you don't like it well -- you have to not like David Corn of Mother Jones Magazine who.
Released an undercover video to the 47% video.
Who whose sources -- Mitch McConnell and admitted doing so.
Well -- I covered -- that actually -- help losing elections for Mitt Romney.
As -- -- affect the very video -- -- argument.
That anyone under all -- award for.
I I I I I just have some questions about some things done for example let's go to a -- -- -- your book by the way your book is called breakthrough it's part memoir and part.
Yeah I guess talking about how one goes about.
Doing what you -- in fact I -- you actually take a few pages from -- Lynn ski secretary and it anyway.
He was a huge inspiration experience and -- You know -- one -- -- that there are tools of breakthrough as you must do what you can with what you have but actually straight out of rules for radicals and that there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff in there like that.
The senator -- I'm -- rules for radicals now it's interesting and also.
A -- he has been really raked over the coals by conservatives.
Accusing Barack Obama for using a -- tactics as a community organizer accusing Hillary Clinton to -- in the during the same as if they're sending relative that's he's a very person you in -- look up to in some ways for the very tactics is easiest -- I think I think some conservative -- them.
They don't to truly understand that -- Olympian on an ideological person tactic you read salukis material she detested dogma.
And I frankly I -- I'll be honest I tend to be.
-- skeptical federal government power that -- conservative so be it but I I do tend to be skeptical of the federal government because my experience is being prosecuted.
-- may have been destroyed the book talks about this.
As a journalist being put in jail.
But at least he you're not a dogmatic person and I think conservative lot and I've been talking to a lot of people in the concerned that the and they are beginning to understand that.
Well you're you're a conservative right I mean.
You -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- What do you -- -- get training at the leadership institute.
-- -- -- -- And the book -- -- what I was fired from the you know usually smear tactics.
-- and we had a disagreement and a lot of people on the conservative movement and I have some disagreements about.
-- know what what you know the best course of action under the questioning a lot of conservatives it is followed.
I do not want to lobby or advocates things I simply want to exposed.
Brian Campbell and it says -- being conservative part of the movement did you also use Richard vagaries organization mailing list to help you fund -- We have met with Leo we we did.
There for a period there were not currently using him for -- -- we actually utilized.
-- -- and he is a conservative fund raiser who made his name during the Reagan years actually.
And he no longer works with us you know -- there's been that this is the challenge trust refineries hit an excellent unique beauty and we don't we don't -- people in back.
We don't ask people to do.
-- things that you know we don't have people to the fun thing and so it's -- challenge for us to raise money actually has a lot of people.
Want you to change laws and things and we just don't -- that that happened just.
MLS US some things about acorn is one of the things that put you on the map and made you fairly well known in this country.
And the Brooklyn prosecutors.
Did they not clear -- -- of any wrongdoing after a four month pro.
I'm really glad you brought this up because it's one of the big you know sort of elusive it station that the media -- you don't have been cleared of wrong -- long tactic look at the factor that changed.
Acorn was cleared of criminal wrongdoing after the -- because it technically is not illegal for the acorn employees to be giving me advice.
Because I'm an undercover reporter there and you know criminal conspiracy there's no criminal intent is -- -- right.
So in California New York specifically -- place like California.
It actually Jerry -- report -- quote unquote cleared a -- -- thing has an abstraction that report on page picture and urge you to read it says.
There could never have been committed a crime here by the court hopefully because there's no criminal conspiracy to Google chief isn't nearly.
Actually this is something that was selectively edited out of all the reporting not on the acorn scandal.
I was really frustrated by the media editing out -- thing that they claim that I'm an editor when they're removing a very relevant legal.
One -- -- -- -- to clear up is that.
It's been so often reported the do you.
And handing dials -- -- and I pronounce your name walked in and you had a pimp outfit on -- dressed as a hooker is it true that you actually were not dressed like that.
There -- some B -- shot have you like that but you were do you literally did not walk into the office with a crazy aunt and grandmother's Cote did you have to whatever.
Hello thoroughly looked like revolution Chillicothe.
Hannah Hannah was dressed like -- Miami prostitute that she wore and -- -- you're actually here in the if you look at the YouTube videos on YouTube that 700000 views.
About walking that you'll -- me in plain clothes I did not -- attempt costume into the office I still would attempt.
And -- deposition you can read it break through the acorn a lawyer's grilling me it's really interchange.
You weren't here I'd say there's -- -- or call require the wearing of the -- cost.
So -- what if I don't so often reported the -- disseminate these we Yousef the union the person would say we walked in with the Fifth Avenue and correct them right.
And there was one instance on FOX & Friends where Steve -- did say that -- you know he's -- you walk and not just like I didn't correct election -- -- him however.
I did this.
I didn't -- to -- role on the.
And I don't want I've got to take a quick break and as luck would have done when if you hold and we thought it'd James O'Keefe whose book is called break -- -- guerrilla war to expose fraud and save democracy.
And -- -- -- James O'Keefe is new but it'll break through -- guerrilla war to expose fraud and saved democracy.
He's a better project Veritas -- certainly you've heard of him as he has done.
Various videos often on the cover to expose fraud and waste and abuse and various institutions one more -- item on not acorn James is that.
You agreed as was reported to 100000 dollar settlement.
Because of someone who said he was unjustly fired Juan Carlos -- what was behind that and you had to take or raise money to pay the 100000 dollars.
Orlando can do that is unjust firing had to -- invasion of privacy this is that the legal cause of action case.
In fact in the after quail hollow there was fire may -- actually -- -- caught on tape telling us to traffic underage girls across Mexican border.
She admitted he made the statements to -- in fact he told ABC news locally in San Diego but he was trying to help our our prosecute.
Get a better life he was thinking he was just trying to help us get off our feet -- a business started.
Now what the case is actually about -- invasion of privacy into the same.
Called an action that David Corn of Mother Jones Magazine is -- -- to the point 7% the and -- that liability in this gentleman just.
Mean dealing within the very powerful.
Program like acorn and it's -- -- trying to show me.
I'd settle on we'll -- on in my journal lemon yes I -- an -- -- under a lot of money it wasn't easy.
Plucked up again into the very narrow issued earlier regarding invasion of privacy yet tried despite its constitutionality of these provisions you -- you not think -- two -- -- states are constitutional I think they prohibit dialing a public officials.
Especially when they say bad things -- the public actually protected by the first and.
Well this was a violation of section 630 -- the California penal code that's what they discovered in this case and -- you have to make some kind of statement.
In order to settle here as well.
Yes when I made a statement in this case that's.
I don't recall the statement that they would have thought maybe that apologizing for.
You know -- I certainly don't mean -- you that you inflict harm.
But -- it again every statement that the in court employee made with which he admitted he that he made it.
He admitted that he made it any in the complaint are not going to detonation in fact I've -- journals for defamation and got -- In this case he -- nothing -- detonation.
Didn't have a little privacy and I think it's they have court.
I had to give money to a guy who gave me is the -- unfortunately Angelina break -- there -- so many examples of political prosecution and enjoy.
-- the laws a lot of different that the part of the code that was broken according to that particular case.
Also let's let's move on to some of the things and -- the NPR video got a lot of attention as -- after that a couple of NPR.
People were fired Vivian Schiller being one of them.
And -- you've been criticized because of -- raw footage of that video.
We you have former NPR fund raiser run -- and -- relation Vivian.
Seeing rejecting attempts by these fake Muslims divide favorable coverage but that wasn't in the edited video -- got most of the -- It that I released the law -- alongside alongside the produced pertinent facts that lawfully and abetted -- -- -- bureau of four was closed.
I'm here I mean we were on the higher standard than any journalist in America.
I mean I I released the raw I give it to the -- stations and in fact it was the law case.
That prompted the Vivian Schiller to resign and facts and PR spokesman David -- inflict even -- After all the raw food belief that they were outraged by the comments made only focused immediate focused on the continent that were outrageous -- back.
-- lightly the assistant director of -- for NPR did tell us we keep our donation anonymously post as members of the Muslim Brothers.
Certainly most agree yes.
Parts of the tape are obviously the ones that are going to be -- -- air this notion that I'm supposed to somehow release nothing but broad agreement produced exactly.
That was kind that can every journalist standard practice internal.
Storage -- you got to focus on the most egregious things that help.
But what but he did we act three advances of the financial advances that is of these phony Muslims correct I mean people -- never -- is on that -- video.
When he rejected the notion -- -- -- Accept their offer.
No I think that getting in the stretch limo absolutely when he actually wanted to get her five million dollar grant now I can't offer them five million dollars -- because I don't have five million dollars in because I'm undercover actually going to get money.
The book focuses and willingness to engage them in conversation is -- he was disparaging Jews Jews saying.
Jews control the media but not NPR.
Let me -- and expect the type of stuff that we were exploding.
And that's that's wrong for people who do those types of things so we're focused and -- wanna leave the park if you are -- lucky I urge you to watch it.
I want you to watch the -- But the media will air what they -- -- can't you know because of time could change obviously raw.
-- -- ask you something you're telling me I shouldn't expose things.
No I didn't say that are endless and if you see sometimes the raw footage in context it's not as blatant as you would we use when you extract just a moment.
That make somebody look bad it's not always that way when you see the entire raw footage.
My response and sometimes Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and change when you municipal raw unedited source material all journalists that is mince -- complete sentences finished you know and you know anonymous sources.
The difference is -- -- up to a higher standard and show you reality.
And you have people have a problem -- -- and information -- a lot of information we have bigger problem.
And society people actually can agree -- the good thing to -- full raw video streaming advantage.
If that's the problem.
And that -- and then we got we got bigger issue here that's why I'm trying to bring people together.
Let me ask you about you you said -- you -- the point during this interview that you don't you go up to the point where you don't break the law you don't do anything that would.
Can be considered if you are.
Let's say under a phony guys but you're not doing something that's gonna get you in trouble legally as far as you can tell in yet in the New Hampshire primary election.
There's undercover video that shows unnamed people working at your behest approaching polling stations throughout New Hampshire.
Poll workers are asking for the person's name.
-- people give the name of a voter who died in the past few weeks.
Then the individual asked poll workers if they need ID to prove their identity.
And when the poll workers confirmed that they did not.
Your people in -- and returning to their card to get their idea in return the ballot now.
Is that breaking a law a -- approved law breaking.
No except I'm glad you brought that up and I don't have to address all the issues and and that's not breaking the law because we did not procure the -- the most breakthrough talks about how we actually cross referenced as people.
We will be registered voters and -- of the few people actually registered to vote which is unconscionable -- it -- people.
Are on the -- right he -- a bullet and we actually got offered to people about not.
We went into the attorney general Eric Cole has up hole location now -- Erik -- has about.
And the fact is we didn't actually -- that the legal term are we not procure these ballots they're -- -- -- federal law.
And stay -- that you can't fill empty without two party consent meaning the people who don't need to know they're being -- unless.
You're in public areas.
Because -- public -- and we didn't procure the ballots we gave them back immediately weeks we actually back at the camera to the moral thing go back to my target my driver's license.
We didn't -- a lot of -- and stop.
That didn't stop the attorney general from from going in indicting and remember what we certainly all -- solution do you have.
John -- do you have miracle we asked -- -- question he didn't say we are those people we didn't misrepresent our.
You didn't give names of voters who died when asked for a person's name.
And we said do you have this.
Person now that's a very careful.
ICC and carefully worded in the way so as not to identify yourself as those.
-- Eric Holder himself under oath in congress addressed this issue with on YouTube because agenda they'll -- did not break the law -- Eric Holder is on my side on his argument effect and congress we did not break the law because we -- not impersonate anyone so you can you can that take your disagreement there Colbert.
Less -- and everybody's got a -- let me ask you about one more issue which is -- CNN issue we want to get correspondent Abbie Boudreau onto a boat.
-- palace of pleasure.
-- -- of sexually explicit props she wanted to seem to embarrass her and CNN.
Was that a effort gone wrong.
And it will break your parents talked about what happened with CNN it started with the equal story lurch.
He said it was an isolated incidents after the first case dropped of course it was not an isolated incidents so.
She had an organization like the New York Times were very very and -- And -- -- -- -- publicly apologized Clark Boyd junior times or with college try to leadership.
And apologized for not reporting on that story can only imagine how much they -- And breakthrough we kind of talked about -- what -- CNN.
Where we a document sent to me suggesting to do this elaborate on gains.
The support of the strawberries and champagne giving -- -- interview.
On the line -- heat and cold air with Jon Stewart did show I -- thought -- -- -- -- interesting concept.
Well you go on -- Stewart you know they're comedians and you know you're doing -- kind of interviews so there's no.
Representation by cold air still which -- -- to getting yourself into.
Yeah it definitely wasn't you know you.
Still in the sense I -- You're right I learned some lessons there and you know the book talks with a chapter called beautiful swimmers in the end it's a pretty entertaining kind of bizarre story.
A document which Anthony.
Reviewed it I -- -- -- and the -- area I was a -- I thought I thought.
Or maybe turning the tables on the media not giving them serious interview I told Howard -- you know they don't take me seriously -- -- take them seriously.
But yes I mean it is definitely wanna play it play it straight with the journalists than -- I -- know I I want respect from -- therefore -- treated.
In a bit more respectful toward them as well so -- -- Well I don't want the thick and their mistake because I wanted to -- senator -- -- -- -- -- -- you mean they really.
Really -- you tell the woman engine provider to an office she comes on as each comes on a boat.
Called the pleasure palace to get sexual proxy -- -- to embarrass her so you were doing something to try to -- the media obviously in that particular kept.
We have to remember -- attribute it shouldn't think about something -- second -- an hourlong documentary.
Trying to discredit me because that network that embarrassed.
Because they reported these are videos were isolated when in fact or they were not so the as a journalist question all heavily heavily in marriage.
Byron reported that they had to go to our law hit piece on me first some Accenture document somebody -- -- and I can email back -- and get it sounds fun.
I mean I let you go through your email.
All the things that people send you that you say are that this respect.
Plug in the -- with -- the first.
I'd be very bored anyway if it went in my emails as with the NSA but political breakthrough are guerrilla war expose fraud is a democracy James O'Keefe James -- -- really appreciate your coming on.
The program here.
I appreciate your you know your your questions I'm happy to address any issues and I really appreciate -- -- thank you very much James.
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