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Joining us not -- discuss the -- case in the split inside the GOP over immigration reform.
Our two leading Republicans.
Senator Lindsey Graham as a member of the gang -- date that is leading the push for reform.
Senator Mike -- opposes the legislation.
And he is the author of a new e-book why John Roberts was wrong about health -- we should also point out both are members.
Of the Senate Armed Services Committee gentlemen let's start -- that -- Snowden.
Senator Graham what do you make.
Of Hong Kong and an excuse me Hong Kong authorities are allowing.
Snowden to go what they say that our extradition papers were not in full compliance with -- and what leverage do we have over Moscow what they decide to let him go to another country.
-- I like to find out -- papers or not in compliance that would be a big mistake by the Department of Justice.
I don't think he's a hero I believe he heard our nation a compromise -- national security program.
Designed to find out where terrorists were up to do so the Freedom Trail is not exactly China Russia -- -- Venezuela.
So I hope will -- -- chasing to the ends of the earth bring him to justice and let the Russians know.
There'll be consequences if they harbor this guy well I was gonna ask you about that because the key decision over the next 24 hours house to be made by Moscow senator Graham.
Should we put pressure on right now -- Holden there.
Absolutely -- if they want to be part of the world community do WTO they want a good relationship the United States.
They should hold this felon and send him back home for justice.
Senator -- are we.
Basically helpless here as -- -- thumbs his nose at the United States with the help of the Chinese and now apparently with the help of the Russians.
And what if he goes to another country whether it's Cuba our -- or someplace in South America.
Yeah I don't know -- I would use the word helpless Chris put we -- part Kerry's position here but I think mr.
Snowden is also looked.
I made no secret about the fact I've got some concerns about much of what the NSA's been doing.
But I think mr.
88 is delusional if he thinks that he's gonna find that country with a better human rights record it in Moscow.
Or in Havana or in Caracas I think he's -- in for a rude awakening if that's what he has in mind so what does that tell you.
If -- -- is headed to one of those countries rather than the US.
I it tells me that if he's looking for a place with a better human rights records in the United States he's certainly not gonna find -- in any of those countries.
All right gentlemen let's turn -- immigration reform to the reason we invited you here in the first lies with the addition.
Up more than forty billion dollars in new border and force -- Will the senate this week pass.
Comprehensive immigration reform and if so how many votes senator -- let's start -- The bill will pass I think we're on the verge of getting seventy votes that is my goal has always been -- goal were very very close.
The seventy votes -- court for men that I think gets us over the top.
And we're gonna talk indeed tell about that in just a moment but let me ask you for a general prediction.
Also senator -- I know you're opposed to this legislation but do you agree that it's gonna -- with a very wide majorities something like somebody -- I think it is likely to pass and I think it may well be along the margin senator Graham suggested and you know look at the sponsors of this bill had the best of intentions.
In my opinion the best of intentions are enough when you're dealing with a 12100 page bill.
That they promised us that under this bill -- illegal immigration would bring it a thing of the past it won't CBO told us this week.
The ten years from now we'll still have 68 million illegal immigrants in this country.
They tell us that it would be tough but fair.
And it's neither it's not tough on those who have broken the law that's not fair to those have been patiently waiting their turn in line.
To come to this country legally and perhaps worst of all Chris what we learned late Friday.
Not just late Friday that they're gonna replace the entire gang of eight bill about a thousand pages with the 12100 page.
-- hold an amendment.
-- this is a provision that very few people of red and even -- fully understand so look we all want immigration reform.
But this bill is not the right vehicle for getting there.
All right but look let's talk about this amendment which house.
Change the calculus and out ahead ten to fifteen more Republican votes.
It's being called the border surge amendment let's take a look specifically at what it would do.
Double the number of border agents to 40000.
Complete 700 miles of new fan site.
Deploy drones radar and ground sensors full implementation of and beef up and -- exit tracking for people on visas.
Senator -- it is your problem that you don't think even witnessed forty billion dollars an extra -- and -- -- -- still don't think that's gonna work.
Or is your problem the sequencing the idea.
That it's going to allow a provisional legal status for the eleven million people immigrants were already here.
Up before you get all of this border enforcement in place.
As a proponent of immigration reform my problem has always been with sequencing and with the fact that it's not a good idea to try to attack.
The entire problem but once that's how you end up with a 12100 page bill.
And what the sequencing of this bill in particular we have to look at the fact that the pathway to citizenship begins basically on day one.
But it'll take many many years if not decades to fully implement all these border security measures.
Senator Graham -- say that that many of the Republicans who were opposed to and talk about border security they've really just don't.
-- a path to citizenship.
But the Congressional Budget Office and this is something that as senator -- just pointed out the Congressional Budget Office said that you were gang -- bill would only reduce.
Be illegal immigration by 25%.
They're talking about the entry exit problem 40% of the people who are here illegally overstayed their visas there will be improvements in that area.
As to the border we practical demilitarize the border I've been hearing for years less secure the border.
Less regain our sovereignty we have secured our border and away I could not have imagined.
45 years ago this whole border security and then that I think is the most.
Aggressive attempt to control the southern border and regain our sovereignty.
This bill reduces our deficit by 800 in ninety billion dollars.
It is good for our economy this bill is good for our national security.
No one can get a green card until the border security measures are.
Up and running until he verifies up and running pinch controlling the job in America.
As to the eleven -- and they will haven't earned the hard pathway to citizenship they have to get in the back of the line before they can become assists and they can't cut in line.
They have to pass two English proficiency exams.
I reject the idea of becoming the mideast or Europe where you have eleven million people with a legal status it can't be part of America.
America is different than the mideast and Europe -- sourcing them.
Out of many one this is a good solution.
For our national security for our economy and tough practical solution to eleven million and most importantly if we do this bill.
And -- is the status quo if we do this bill there will be no third wave of legal immigration.
But let me ask you about another objection that some literally just mentioned the idea that this is gonna be some huge 12100 page bill I -- you complain about that hearing Obama care.
The idea that you have this huge bill that nobody is -- and why not take didn't more incremental bite size pieces.
Why not -- guys.
Well let's look at it this way get the Republicans all the border security want an -- The legal immigration you won't and trust the Republicans to deal fairly with the eleven million.
That's not gonna -- to Democrat and I sure as hell not -- except an agreement.
Where they get legalization.
On a pathway to citizenship then they give -- border security.
Then they give me legal immigration reform you have to do it to get -- we have -- border security and legal immigration reform.
To green card status until we secure our border until we get the legal immigration reform in place you can't get a green card put -- -- Which would put you -- Citizenship status -- tad bit -- together that's the all the way to do this -- been -- with that since 2005 and six.
And this is a great solution for our economy and our national security and I'm very proud of this -- even.
If the senate passes immigration reform this week it still have to go on to the house and senator -- UN sad.
That it will be dead on arrival it be enough house house Republicans are talking about the kind of incremental approach that I know you've favor let's deal -- enforcement first and after that we can deal with the eleven million.
Illegals were in this country let's take a look at some n.'s John Boehner said.
Its border security and confidence.
-- though we've got the border secured.
Well before we begin to get down this path to addressing both -- legal immigration.
Issues and the -- illegal immigration issues.
But senate delayed -- Lindsey Graham says I must say a lot of Democrats I that'll kill the legislation they're not gonna accept border enforcement first and not a promise.
Of dealing with the legalization of the eleven million people who were already here.
What they've said that's what they want to be the case the fact is I think -- representatives has a right.
In any event the House of Representatives has said border security first and they're doing.
The eight exactly the right thing they're dealing with this in the right sequence the House Judiciary Committee passed out of committee this week.
Security measures two things to bring about robust immigration reform and a step by step process.
And I think that's the approach we ought to be taking what's making this contentious what's making it.
Politically -- missive.
Is that the senate gang -- -- has insisted on -- all these issues up into 112100 page bill that's what's making it -- because they're putting the single most.
They're controversial confrontational issue.
That have amnesty and ultimate citizenship into -- 12100 page bill.
All right gentlemen we got about two minutes left and I want you to split it evenly if you well does a lot of things that needless to say a lot of politics and all this President Obama.
Push for passage of the senate -- This week and as -- -- media address take a look.
That's what conference of immigration reform looks like.
Stronger enforcement a smarter legal immigration system a pathway to -- citizenship.
A more vibrant growing economy that's -- on the middle class.
Senator Graham is President Obama doing enough to push this and if Republicans are saying whether in the -- unlikely or in the house much more likely.
At stopping this comprehensive immigration reform what will be the political fallout as the GOP tries to reach out to Hispanic -- -- president Obama's been better on immigration than Senator Obama Senator Obama started doing the -- -- and took helped take the bill down in 2006 and seven.
Every time we've been asking to do something he has really come through but when he does things on his on even this time around has been pretty much a disaster coming out -- the White House.
As to the Republican Party.
Here's my my firm belief that America's not divided on this night.
70% of Americans including Republicans -- sport and -- pathway to citizenship.
Over a thirteen year period before you get in the back of the line learn.
Language and pay -- -- so to the Republican Party this is a chance to improve our economy reduce the deficit.
By 890 billion dollars to get border security you'll never see in your lifetime to regain our sovereignty and if it if it fails and we are blamed for its failure.
Our party is in trouble Hispanics not look elsewhere conservative but the cost of the rhetoric and the way we've handled this issue.
I want to get re attached to this -- -- community so conservatism.
Pass comprehensive immigration reform.
And grow this party the party's got to be bigger than you tell when South Carolina this -- -- community.
Is very close to our values but we have driven away over this issue -- fix this problem for the good of the country and for the good of the party and this bill does that my first.
The senator -- let me pick up on what senator Graham just said do you Mitt Romney got only 27% of the Hispanic vote.
Back in November 50000.
New Hispanic citizens become -- voting age every month in this country.
If your party is seen as as killing immigration reform aren't gonna pay a price a -- of the polls.
For decades to come.
Well look if we turn immigration reform into a political football everyone loses Chris we all know that.
We've learned that from the past we don't want to have to learn that the hard way in the future what the American people want.
If they want to make sure that our borders secure.
And they want to make sure that we fixed our legal immigration process especially before we go legalizing much less granting citizenship.
211 million people treating all from the same regardless whether they overstayed visas are crossed in.
Illegally in the first place.
We have to remember at the end of the day that CBO told us early this week that this will be bad for wages it'll be bad for unemployment this is not the right solution.
Send at a late senator Graham thank you both --
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