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And -- Ottawa professor Stephen -- professor Kohn is an American scholar of Russian studies it and -- you and Princeton.
Written several books including most recently failed crusade America and the tragedy oppose Communist Russia.
-- a member of the council on foreign relations.
Professor thanks coming -- and appreciate very much -- we have a public I guess -- -- FaceBook -- -- -- complicated to let our relationship with Russia that this one.
At what does that mean in terms of -- Snowden and wait what do you think -- things stand right now.
Was -- in northern -- -- with the relationship.
Well the stone development too bad development obviously people racing prudent should've -- over because he's been in Russian and we don't know where he is now.
There's -- reporting may get off of a Russian plane in -- as we talk.
But wherever it is he got.
The sanctuary foreign nighter to in Russian people -- -- who is not a friend nationalist part is the problem that is is that.
Having spent the last couple years in virtually -- Cold War situation.
We've had something approaching a breakthrough as a result first of the Boston bombings.
Which brought the United States and Russia much closer together on camera camera counterterrorism.
And then secretary of state carries initiative.
For an American Russian coffers to try to in the civil war in Syria.
These are important developments on the Rome but also had they been even moderately successful.
It might have improve the relationship with Russia which would have enhanced American national security.
The problem is in the atmosphere it's including the political and media atmospherics particularly in Washington.
Was already shall any -- not giving President Obama much wiggle room to -- two Russians.
-- what the so -- note of that has done has revived all this and recruit -- isn't in any Russian -- to whatever happens that would Snowden.
It's a setback for American Russian relations not Kerry said today don't worry.
We overcome it but we'll city because -- fragile relationship at best at the moment.
It's a shame that the optics mean an -- match up with the reality because so we don't know as you pointed out where he might be right now.
And certainly whether or not he was ever in the clutches of -- that that something could have been done.
To bring this to some -- conclusion with the help of Russia.
Well what we do know is this but I think we know this is and who knows who we noticed it but but he was in Hong Kong and the Chinese keeping an exit visa.
So he was able to get on a plane and all the evidence is I think there was even this fighting -- him.
Is -- -- -- Teixeira medical it airports in Russia.
In -- -- group there's a large transit area that is.
Moscow to halt the you can flight to Asia he could play the Latin American Consulate -- Western Europe to -- directly -- New York it's a very big problem.
People never leave the airport.
If they never leave the airport if -- in transit.
And therefore they don't need a Russian entry visa you need -- -- to you and I would need to get a visa to go to Russia Tuesday.
We don't leave the airport we don't now the official Russian positions ticketed by.
-- secretary is is not our responsibility we don't -- plane tickets but that's of course nonsense the Chinese and the Russians.
I'm very good relationship.
Russia has a very active intelligence operation in Hong -- so the Russians knew he was coming to Moscow.
I don't think there was ever before turn in their mind that he which state more than 24 hours.
Something obviously went wrong he should've left yesterday probably were assured me earlier today.
And that has to do -- going next but it's an embarrassment for the -- Does that sure that we didn't think he'd stay -- with a 24 hours or could that have been a plan for him to stay there longer than we originally thought.
No I don't mean we I mean the Russians Russians I think the Russians fought to.
Based on what people in this press secretary -- -- -- and of course like our Press Secretary they're not always -- That he was it had nothing to do with the government because he hadn't asked for position.
Permission to enter Russia technically if he doesn't leave the airport he hasn't.
-- Russia that's illegal kind of forum planned because the Russians certainly knew from the Chinese -- let -- -- Hong Kong he was flying an emotional report.
What ability would motherly tone with professor Stephen -- who's a Russian scholar won't mean.
The possibility of or could even happen that the president United States picked up the phone calls Vladimir Putin and says -- to -- clear that we work this out.
Well it's a very good question and I'm of the school.
That everything in life love and history as possible -- but the possibility is terribly remote.
And the reason is not as you read in the papers tomorrow the -- -- Pursues an anti American foreign policy he doesn't.
He pursued and un American foreign policy that is different from the united it's it's.
-- -- would clearly that is not something he would have wanted to happen.
-- he's trying to promote this opening to the United States.
But to turn him over to the United States would not -- not only undermine his kind of un Americans are in different from the United States.
Posture and home affairs which is in -- very important to Russia.
But his political -- and he has -- political class he's not a -- since he can tell.
You make any decision he wants they would be absolutely outraged because the political class itself is pretty and the American.
Clearly had one -- -- something interesting happened in Russia today.
-- -- -- -- -- Has been very mixed about which note did you -- banks are I would think that they'd be all be applauding -- and -- some of the agency's news agencies affiliated with the Kremlin.
Have been disapproving.
Saying nobody should steal spit sink its secrets.
That's kind of interesting it suggests that the political class.
Has different views about that no one reason may -- they fear it's contagious.
And somebody would get this bright idea -- clever on the Internet I worked for state agency I can do this to Russian intelligence but there's not just one opinion in Russia about -- We don't know what what Snowdon has that we don't know.
How quickly he might be to share it must we be concerned that he is sharing information with the -- we would not want to now.
Well you know I think talent you and I don't know -- -- wouldn't have but I don't think the Obama administration knows what he has either.
Why they want and I -- the notion -- brings back here and put him on trial.
Is -- kind of catastrophic notion because he could subpoena.
All these intelligence officials in his defense.
To court and demand they tell the truth about what they weren't they don't want to do that.
They warning because they want to find out what he's got and what he's told other.
You pet -- I don't want to put him on trial they want to just know what -- -- If I was Obama I would want to put him on trial but I want to know what -- know and if he's told anybody else if I had to guess and I have no expertise at all.
-- no stones currency.
To keep himself alive and at liberty is what he knows and there's not much point.
-- him giving away more than he's already told -- story has sanctuary.
Ultimately do you foresee him coming back the -- -- -- is no way to tell.
I don't think there's any way to tell me if we are in -- kind of Cold War situation.
And not just American Russian -- in Indian kind of tensions in the world that he's looking for sanctuary where they'll stay until.
He's a young young man I mean he may be -- years and years but he's got he knows a lot -- And he probably hasn't told all he knows and he may be very loyal guy he may have told -- wanted to tell the American intelligence agencies.
In his opinion are doing things that are un American that's his message so far that's the only thing he says.
Maybe there's nothing -- his mind.
Ultimately what does this -- to our relationship with Russia.
Well you know every depends on where you stand I mean I believe that American national security can't be complete without a cooperative.
Relationship with Russia whether we talk about the Middle East or Afghanistan or nuclear weapons or energy.
Or climate change you just can't do it without Russia it's still the biggest country in the world territory late.
Therefore I'm hopeful I was hopeful that the craziness that's going down the last 510 years.
Commercial -- kinda neo Cold War.
-- the end because Boston.
Shall both sides what's necessary impossible.
But things -- because that's such a fragile possibilities.
That things -- note in which we don't look really directly could blow it all away for another 34 charger.
Not professor -- thank you so much for your time tonight -- -- -- so much Stephen Kohn he's a professor.
American scholar Russian cities with NYU and Princeton.
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