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Washington where just hours ago the president and vice president concluded a meeting with congressional leadership on immigration reform.
-- that high profile Oval Office sit down took place.
As we -- just now days away from a final vote on the senate version of this bill now earlier today majority leader Harry Reid predicted.
That the measure would be brought to the floor for consideration on either Thursday or Friday.
However one outspoken conservative on Capitol Hill is not leaving anyone guessing where he stands on this matter.
And that's Kentucky senator Rand Paul he is penned a column titled why -- invited from voting no on immigration reform in it he says.
He made his decision for one simple reason.
Because the legislation does not secure the borders first.
Here to explain the decision is the man himself senator Rand Paul senator welcome back.
Did a good -- It's pretty simple to me.
That this this was something.
That from the very beginning conservatives.
Who had been against any any plan to for legalization or green cards like yourself.
Would have changed your mind if we secure the border first what are they listen.
We got total -- the very beginning I was open to immigration reform as long it was dependent on securing the border first.
And I was very explicit about this but apparently nobody listened or cared.
I also thought it was important that -- we determine whether the borders secure.
That congress should determine this not the president.
I don't have a lot of trust left over for the current president but I really don't trust any president to make this decision I think congress.
The representatives of the people should determine when the borders secure they are those a little surprised page 35 Y 24 that the -- channel has veto power.
-- to the power to veto the border fence somewhere to put it in the immigration bill allows a little surprising to me tell.
Well the irony is they threw in a billion and a half dollars for some -- used jobs program.
That's as much as ever gonna spend on the fence but then they also to -- Vito for Janet Napolitano to be out of -- defense if she thinks the borders secure.
That's the problem with leaving it up to the president.
The president thinks the border secure now so I don't have a great deal of hope that she won't just -- defense up the new deal would your colleagues every day.
Don't they believe that America.
Has the right to sovereign borders what do they tell you.
I think there are many are running scared and -- -- just passed some things doesn't matter exactly what is in the bill.
They want to be in favor of immigration reform.
And I'm in favor of -- but the details are important I've -- how to read the bills it's 12100 pages we got it on Monday.
We worked our way through it as quickly as we can but the thing is is that.
I think for some it's the symbolism of this and they're not too concerned whether we allow Vito over the ten so whether we -- a billion and a half in there for a jobs program.
Yeah I always expected that the house would only do border security but.
My sources in Washington tonight are telling me.
That the leading bill that is being discussed in the House of Representatives.
Is a bill that would give a five year temporary legal status to -- illegal immigrants.
And then if the border is not secure.
It would be revoked are you here in the same thing.
I'm hearing a little bit of that and I'm hoping that's not the plan because I think once you give status it's never coming back so that's why my amendment.
Secure the border -- you vote on it when it's secure than you begin gradually.
Normalizing the people we still get more votes each year you get another vote.
And I spoke to one other leading conservatives.
On the Judiciary Committee in the house today.
And he said he was interest in my idea I'm continuing to talk to consumers in the house.
With the hope that they will vote for it.
Congress to decide when the border secure.
And that they won't start the process into what had at least a year to do securing the border.
Well my fear is that they will pass border security first I always assume they wouldn't now I have some doubt.
And -- you go to conference and then at a conference this senate bill would would tend to win.
And that what is just what -- speak of interview at that point you have any idea have you spoken to him.
Well you know I was pleased to hear his comments or in the week when the speaker said that he is not gonna pass something unless a majority of Republicans are for it.
The their chance that we get the senate bill the only chance is senate bill could pass in the house.
Is it it passes with thirty or forty Republicans and -- 180 Democrats.
-- speaker Boehner is gonna hold to his word and say it has to have a majority Republicans I think we'll get a better bill.
For what I'm hoping they'll say is let's do this step wise we can call it comprehensive.
But let's have triggers in -- that really make it a step wise -- we're border security is actually first.
And then legalization comes after we -- that the border is secure.
What did you think of the president's speech today when he said he would sidestep congress to implement his global warming initiative.
Through executive via.
You know I think he has a pattern of this and this is one reason why a lot of us in the country are worried about it which way in which direction he's taken the country.
I don't like the idea of unelected bureaucrats riding lawn making law if he tries to do this we will have a vote in the senate.
We have something called the congressional review act.
And if he writes a regulation or trust -- have a new carbon tax without us voting -- -- we will force a vote on it but the question is can we defeating -- with a room.
The Democrats stay lockstep.
Behind him and that's what they've done in the past one of the saddest things as we're watching this whole Edwards Snowden fiasco unfold and Vladimir Putin basically.
Thumbing his nose and his -- in the I have America.
Is the Wall Street Journal writes today that America is -- Do you think they view us as -- our enemies.
You know I think it's hard to tell I think that there's a great deal of sympathy around the world for privacy on the Internet.
In fact I hear from some of the Internet service providers and the search engine people.
That -- trouble really isn't with anger in America right now they're trouble is with anger in Europe.
People really upset about their privacy being invaded and so I think there's a lot of sympathy out there maybe not necessarily.
For the idea of who the league -- but for the concept of privacy I think there's a lot of sympathy around the world for that.
Let me ask you those of pew poll that came out when you look at the scandals and all the issues that we're discussing.
And gun control.
Immigration and global warming at the lowest level in terms -- people's priorities.
But the most frequent words now used according to -- to describe President Obama are incompetent and lie here.
What does that what what's your take on that.
And what should the president take out of that.
Right you know I think the constellation of scandals are adding up and they're multiplying.
And I really think that there are sapping his moral authority to lead the nation you don't need just the legal authority to be president.
You have to have some moral authority you have to have people supporting what you're doing and I think -- people are concerned for tickling.
Even his constituency he won like 6070%.
Of the youth.
The young people of this country wanted privacy and they thought he'd be their champion and -- it turns out that he's looking -- -- having the NSA.
Look at a billion phone records every day so I think.
People don't like that kind of hypocrisy.
And so I think it is damaging him and I don't think he's going to be able to get much done in the last four years and less he really claims house.
And says I'm not gonna tolerate my people lying to congress I'm not gonna tolerate RS agents targeting conservatives.
So -- he does that -- I think he's really lost ground.
All right senator Rand Paul -- to -- -- thanks for being with us.
Thank you John coming up.
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