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Well let's bring in our -- facing a writer for the weekly standard Susan -- contributing editor for the US news and world report and of course syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer.
Well we didn't talk about on the panel as we had a lot of friends.
-- -- and Carter -- the general who as the head of was ahead of Africa.
Just about the classified hearing today.
From what we heard about the hearing said that he was never consulted.
Before 9/11 2012.
Four -- preparing for September 11.
That was kind of a big bombshell from what we heard the testimony he also said there was not a stand down order however the special forces in Tripoli.
Were ordered to stay there.
So roughly the same fact.
Greg hicks you may remember this number two man -- Ben Ghazi testified that they were really frustrated they couldn't go.
To -- and I -- two to help.
We're back with -- Steve.
You know a lot of people were looking for are looking for where this order came from to have those forces in Tripoli stay.
We're not I don't know we know specifically from what we've heard of this testimony.
But it's starting to.
Perhaps being more enlightened by Carter -- testimony.
Behind closed doors possibly.
In the other if I'm not mistaken -- and his name escapes from here are now the person who was on the receiving end of this stand hours.
Also testified today so we may in fact if congress leaks like congress -- We may in fact learn how much more about this in the coming days but it what I find it very interesting that had an -- Wasn't consulted about our security posture in that tumultuous region.
Ahead of 9/11 2012.
If you -- this is it seems to -- sort of in the first basic -- that one would take.
In preparing for that that anniversary and it's surprising to me to hear him to hear that he testified that he wasn't consulted.
As it relates to stand over verses verses we know what his confirmation of Greg hicks.
Testimony that they were in effect told to stay in Tripoli not -- -- -- -- I think that's the distinction without a difference an -- May make some difference in the parlance of from the military but if any and it's a fact.
It's basically the same thing they were told not to go.
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Ben Ghazi and where.
This is -- season.
I don't know where it's going to rain ice and I'm very curious is he said I understand the difference between standing down and not going and what that distinction is I'd like to know more about the dialogue that happened before and and during the event.
Whether they really thought they could do something or not do something and others -- -- system part of military but honestly I think it sounds.
There been other events that have just so overtaken thing Ghazi at this point the IRS being one of them that I.
Frankly I don't hear anybody even talking about him and gotten as much as a talking about the -- up which is something I think a lot more people can relate to we don't pay taxes aroused most of it taxes anyway.
So I don't I think that that is as sort of an investigative -- on the hill Israeli and retreat and the IRS isn't ascension Charles.
Look very good three.
Episodes here there's -- before the attack during the attack and after.
All of the attention started with -- after the attack was a talking point.
And now there's been -- a lot of focus ever since we had to testimony.
Gregory hicks who was on the scene.
The -- -- -- and before the lack of preparation.
Clearly did dereliction before.
I don't know battle line but.
Intentional or otherwise after.
But the real story the one that I think is most untold.
And it could be the worst in me and he's what happened during those eight hours and specifically where I mean we've heard so little.
Where the president was in when he was doing the one thing that we do know that's never rains.
Is that he spent an hour on the phone that night.
Early in the evening with the prime minister of Israel.
Because historian broken in Israel.
That Obama was.
-- sort of did dissing the Israelis by refusing -- meeting with the Netanyahu at the UN.
Coming in next week.
And remember -- -- middle of an election and the very sensitive because.
Post story was had been dropped.
And had been an issue just a week earlier than the Democratic Convention.
So they spent an hour on the -- that's a long time and then immediately the White House has a long readout of that.
You know what they were saying to each other.
And in fact emphasizes that there was no invitation.
And no snow they get an invitation.
The president -- to the prime minister so that was clearly the objective of that covering himself on a political issue.
In the middle of an eight hour event that involved with the deaths.
Under essentially Obama's command.
-- that to me is absolutely remarkable.
And where was Obama at the beginning where was he at the end.
When did -- go to bed did you show any interest would orders did he give did -- did anybody contradict.
-- orders we know nothing about that.
That to me if there is a dereliction of the commander in chief in the middle of a fight where Americans are dying.
That is potentially the worst of all the scandal.
-- To wrap this up who we have much more on this Friday at 10 PM.
As we lay out a new time line.
Two to kind of put it all together actually I mean that's really.
Where this thing gets.
Interest -- when you lay it all out for somebody and you say here's what happened here here's what happened here and you can't put it all together.
It seems like.
Well I'll just just laying out facts it seems that people understand a little bit better otherwise you get the little pieces.
And you know it's just not I don't think the -- -- when it comes to uses -- -- you know Steve is more honest and I am not my mind.
I don't think the press -- but we have to remember the press is an instant party here because.
When this first happened in the hours after this happened in the days after this happened.
There was and I would say obsessive focus on Mitt Romney and his comments about this and very little.
Actual real reporting.
On what had happened what happened in Gaza but the president was all of these things is in effect.
Went on answer may be on -- the end so depressed from that point on.
Basically declined to cover this in any great details and ask tempted to cover -- now in effect.
Would be -- making them acknowledge that.
Their lack of coverage before was a mistake so.
They basically come to a conclusion that this is not newsworthy -- to get them to cover -- now I think is an extra -- but you're exactly right that laying it out in some detail.
And when you do that it to people regardless of their views on the Obama administration on their views on I'm Ben Ghazi particular.
It's a compelling story and Charles I think it's on one of the many.
Very interest in him and as yet on resolved questions what was the president doing we've gotten.
Basically a minute by minute timeline of what he was doing on the night that of -- laden was killed has been depicted in movies had detailed stories about this.
We know where everything the president was doing but aside from that one phone call.
And one brief photo taken in the Oval Office said I think about 730 we don't know what the president was doing we do know however that he did go the next morning.
To Las Vegas for this fund -- so that may -- may.
To give some hint -- how seriously he was taking this tonight.
Ford -- amnesty that we know from secretary Panetta he meets with the president at 5 PM -- chairman of joint chiefs.
In the Oval Office.
And they talk about the attack and apparently according Panetta.
The president says.
Do all you can with the DOD.
To respond to us available DOD assets respond -- that's how Panetta says.
So why then doesn't happen.
That's the that's the big disconnect I think that's exactly how the White House -- responded to charges that that chart Charles is making so little they would say look the president said.
Every everything that why doesn't happen.
That's -- he doesn't -- we don't know I mean this is one of the questions I think members of congress thought that Carter -- might be able to.
Gives some detail on today in his -- -- and that was one of the hopes going into this was that he was going to be able to lay out.
Some of these things I think he said and other discussions that he had with.
With with people lie he had shed some light on -- -- I think there were hopeful that he would come back and and -- some additional information on the decision making them both before during and after.
There's one another data point.
But Obama and Hillary Clinton and then secretary of state have a phone call around 10 PM on that -- And when she was asked about it in congress and your testimony.
I believe it was January 23.
She was asked about that when she was asked about the contents she said.
And this is it roughly as -- -- -- -- what the what was it about she informed the president.
And kept him abreast of developments.
Here's a commander in chief.
And he's being he's learning about things instead of being on this every second and he's always -- learning about it from secretary.
Defense we know that he did not speak I'm sorry he knows have you learned about it from the secretary of state we know we did not speak.
That night subsequently.
With the secretary of defense or the chairman of the joint chiefs he's the commander in chief he placed a commander in chief.
And all kinds of other issues -- drones bin Laden ready and on this.
He's being informed by secretary of state at 10 PM -- just a bystander.
-- I get much more on this 10 PM on Friday Susan.
Okay the president is can.
On route to Africa and getting ready for this trip and obviously all of these things these investigations are still.
-- plaguing this administration at least sucking oxygen out of the room.
Here in Washington.
Meantime we have Nelson Mandela.
Who is not doing well.
What about this trip.
Well look you know there's no way I think it would've looked so bad to cancel a trip at this point I mean that's part of the problem is that you know you still have to go on -- the business of being the president -- -- that -- even being a candidate.
I'm less bothered by the Las Vegas trip -- I am about -- questions about what was actually going on during a when he was doing.
But it's you cancel the trip -- diplomatic.
Import of that is is pretty bad and then all you really doing is saying that your government is falling apart you know want to give that impression.
Part of the problem with a lot us IRS stuff and is said.
The other two Arenas where people need to feel absolutely certain of being treated equally and -- with taxes and the others in voting and I think that a lot of people are feeling very very unsettled about that everybody always sort of feel feel sort of unfairly targeted with taxes and one way or the other don't we -- But.
You know especially with a revelations recently that there are other groups that call progressive that were also targeted although maybe not is.
Closely -- as the ones that had Tea Party in the not you have.
The inspector general sap Press Secretary saying that there only asked to look at what they what they did with Tea Party groups.
It's just creates this whole sense that you don't know what the IRS is doing and are they treating people fairly and I think it's a means -- -- -- really the point of how -- press is covering -- because they say is set.
This is Tennessee to just write about these things in terms of how they're affecting somebody's popularity -- the politics of the post the actual substance of it.
And one thing that I think -- been lost in this IRS scandal is that.
These are all groups on the left and the right there were asking for special treatment from the government they weren't selected for you for harassment with audits they were asking for special treatment -- -- asking for tax exempt status.
And I'm sorry if you have Tea Party your name more progressive in your name you probably are political group there's nothing wrong with that -- -- not a social welfare group but all of that I think it's gotten lost.
And the public integrity -- -- -- the public faith.
And the IRS is really really dropping and you know that's -- and that's potentially devastating not just in this administration but just for how we -- our government.
-- There -- yeah I think there's a really important point and what you're saying having to do.
With how essentially.
When the political effect of stuff.
The immigration debate instead of people talk about what would be best for the country how do we solve the problem how we prevent.
You know another wave and all this everything -- -- an amendment.
Can you get enough Republicans -- it's gonna do it you know who can you get on this which is essentially how we constructed obamacare.
As a kind of on the candles.
It's now a disaster you know what sort of wind.
You know if you -- if you need an amendment he -- an amendment there together sending you the senator.
The amendments can be utterly contradictory -- nonsensical.
You do it and then you end up with a disaster I find in the immigration may mean you know this.
It determines what the country's gonna look like.
In the future what aren't chosen they're gonna grow up into the one that passed in 65.
Change -- the nature of America.
And to talk about it is can you get you know for his 72 hand and over are in effect on the house -- -- I just -- deeply dismayed.
-- -- a couple of comments.
Braves fan MA says.
How many groups with progressive in their name had to wait years for a decision.
Blasts in the USA says please no other groups were targeted in the conservative ones what came out and from the IRS.
Acting director in his report is that progressive groups were listed.
What we don't know is how actively they.
I think that's one of the reasons that he's going up -- the hill tomorrow.
As I understand her -- from round worth of progressive groups that wardens from newly didn't -- -- was had been revealed the two of them listed.
Applying for different access I mean they were not talking about.
They were planned for 501 C three status not file once before stats which is different the percentage of out of your political activity.
It's different you're -- once he -- you can't be doing politics if you're -- once before you can be doing politics just not a majority.
Of your time.
That's why it's harder because it's harder that I think that mean I'm not defending the fact that it took them years and it's very hard to plan when you don't like -- tax -- -- But it's it's very complicated thing do you spend 51% of your time and effort doing so called social welfare activities rather than get a higher standard I'm not defending the fact that took -- the song and the saying that.
They were at all all of them asking for special status I hope they scrutinize them have -- Let's test -- guys are new information is from an internal investigation.
Given how the IRS has performed and what it does and it's.
I'm not sure I believe a word out of an internal investigation.
And also remember this there was an internal investigation.
At the IRS that identified this targeted before the IG start.
So the year before they knew that there was this targeting then the IG starts his investigation and then we find out about it by a planted question.
Acting and I -- so apparently so so badly handled and then that we handle all the way around.
What exactly is the outside investigation supposed to me.
From the Department of Justice that we heard a word about.
-- -- that is probably remember the FBI director didn't know who was handling it and there was subsequent reports that there were FBI.
Agents on the case.
But I don't I don't think we have any update as to where it's going -- what's happening with -- It doesn't appear to be a lot of zeal behind -- -- isn't what's on your radar screen as far as some things coming up that.
That intrigue you.
You know and I'm -- themselves to be caring about.
You know and -- and the IRS and gay marriage but I'm obsessed with this Aaron Hernandez story and I feel really -- It feels really bad for Ed Markey who wins -- senate.
And he's in his home city he wakes up and what happens.
Gay marriage cases and Aaron Hernandez and in England patriots.
Have to feel bad for America but I have to -- -- fascinated by that -- along with all -- as -- patriots -- No I'm from buffalo we've heard of the the evil empire.
Chris I call them they'll bellicose in the Brady Bunch but that's just my personal lines are very serious story and just hit the -- silly -- you know I -- and I'm.
Dying to know what happened.
Not bad for is Alexander.
It has -- -- reason that he was chosen in the fourth round and ground.
Given given his skill -- I mean he was projected originally to go a lot higher but there are other questions about his character.
First around it would have covered his tracks better.
Thank you -- they never would have found those questionable character issues in the first place.
-- sort of sets about a parallel I mean this has nothing to do actually with Aaron Hernandez except for the fact that never involves the NFL -- this.
These reports that we had earlier this week that the NFL in the NBA are being enlisted to help promote.
Depending on -- how you look at it promoter explain.
-- Obama -- candidate Katherine and civilians was was Kathleen it's really this was quoted as.
Saying that the NFL had responded I think the word she used.
To these requests.
Help promote these things I'm.
So I've been reporting on that a little bit and in the context of this Obama cares -- -- writing about the implementation and I don't think it's true that the NFL.
Responded enthusiastically I don't think the NFL has made any commitment whatsoever to help the administration either promoter explained.
What's going on I got a statement from Greg hello who's this the -- spokesman for the league said basically.
We haven't made any commitments.
The administration contact us were waiting -- to learn more details that's -- little different than what civilians had said I mean she made it sound like they were.
Much further down the road so interested to see -- -- -- a big issue.
Inside the NFL -- who the FO wanna risk its brand by attaching it to something that's.
They -- you know likely to be such a disaster.
There's something inherently.
Corrupt about -- government.
Has such power over the private sector and with the NFL it's antitrust.
There is no team the Los Angeles.
That would be the grounds.
To sue because you want to have -- in the city.
It's essentially acting as a monopoly as a cartel but he gets he sort of winking exceptions.
And the federal government ultimately is -- one of them will decide or it could take you court so if you have if the government calls themselves.
You know deduction you're doing and since we're here to help youth would you like to help us a little bit.
What do you say it's coercion of course enthusiasm.
As a product of I'd say fear.
Douglas Nelson says how -- progressive groups have to reveal the contents of their prayers.
They want to break.
Consuming and I -- -- yeah.
Half it's three -- -- I was a joke protests and I have not accusing him of hedonism and atheism or even paganism.
-- that it can't happen or any other risk that it is -- you know.
I've read and and they -- area that is parents OK we -- going to wrap up early tonight good thank you panel as always.
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