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And fortunately while I'm aware this is an initial report.
It fails to deliver the accountability the American people deserve.
This report doesn't answer even the most basic significant questions who started this practice why has -- been allowed to continue for so long.
How widespread was it.
In fact this report suggests that you haven't even asked anyone those questions.
And that was David camp he is a Republican he is from Michigan is chairman of the house Ways and Means Committee.
And he was getting the business to one to eighteen.
In angels were full.
The acting director of the Internal Revenue Service.
And this is powered -- and and Chris wow that's.
Well good to have you here now look what's happening today is -- -- powerful and we're not sure exactly what he's going.
But he's mr.
let's go with mr.
-- or acting commissioner purple.
They're trying to drop the same thing.
Is appearing in front house Ways and Means Committee.
And he is there he's been on the job for about a month less than a month.
And the Republicans are excoriating.
Him and his agency -- not chest.
Abuses in the targeting.
Groups that were applied for nonprofit status but also for a whole boatload.
Problems that the agency as waste fraud abuse center etc.
so it's not going to be good for him but it will be a good -- It will talk about that.
We will talk about presidents.
Climate change global warming stuff will do that.
And we will also have you get this did you injured -- it will be here and he will talk about the NSA.
And does the president really not care about -- -- is he really so -- -- he said he was this morning.
He probably isn't.
But we'll talk about the tennis and -- that stuff.
But before we get to that let's get to this say hi to your friends Fowler he's a host of -- Aptly named Richard -- show on we act radio which is available around the globe via Internet.
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14 -- Richard thank you Ford O'Connell he is -- former advisor to the presidential campaign of John McCain.
But he has won elections in the past it has been part of it anyway it's past.
And just -- the president not at the presidential level he is a Republican strategist is he wearing so I am wearing.
That's where were rolling now okay.
I want to start with you.
The Republicans are getting a little brush back from the Democrats -- Who say this virus scandal stuff as Megan Kelly call it yesterday's candelabra.
This scandal stuff is overblown and in fact now we know.
-- conservative groups were the only ones targeted that in fact the be on the lookout for list included.
The terrorist normally.
This is about effective and efficient government yes and they may have targeted groups we don't know what extent we've got contracts.
Are being given mountainous -- -- Only government way.
We have expenditures on credit cards are going wrong.
This is about making.
Government -- the American people arms bringing back crossed and transparency to government to effectively excuse duties if we don't focus on the Harris trust me it goes.
Or further arrests in this is just one case of it when -- -- the -- I'm Richard the the minority on the ways and means committees and is talking about this did -- say hey you know they want -- inspector general to come back but this.
Because he didn't make as much out out the fact that.
Groups that words like progressive.
On the keyword search for which groups to target.
But if that's so.
How come we never.
Have heard from any progressive groups that -- but it's good thing there wasn't a big deal when the -- -- it first came initially came -- it was all about conservative groups and with them propped up by you know conservative organizations.
-- -- I think because progressive groups -- never really part of the first initial conversation in the media focused -- that.
I'm -- -- media's litmus that your side by side and the truth.
All of you know we'll get to sort of I think now we'll see progress will come out because now -- hard to focus of this conversation.
Boat that being said I think that the Democrats in the minority are right this story is overblown -- it's over.
Awe and I think you know I I agree I agree with Ford and that you know we need to work rampant fraud waste and abuse -- and every situation that we can.
On whether it's of the IRS for the Defense Department or anywhere else in the federal government.
On activists and that the president committed to the president's already created cost savings -- already worked on in his in his previous budget but.
Not that Democrats notably there's nothing burger I'm not so sure it's not exert so I definitely enough -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- They're very concerned voters in both parties are very concerned about -- And now I want to ask you forward for error the president -- -- Suggested in others suggested that the way around this moment that they're experiencing now where the virus this continual you know Republicans just gonna it will continue to besiege the -- you'll never go wrong in politics Bill Clinton this.
Guys beating the you know what's out of the Internal Revenue Service they're not popular and you can go after affairs well.
It's not like going after -- -- -- pocket.
So what the president is it too late for the president to try to get back on the good -- on this we're just yet to write -- -- with mr.
wonderful until September.
Where is they're still moment where you suggested the -- -- former kind of Republican.
Moderate Republican solution of self esteem that you say I'm sending this person over the virus and he's -- in and he's -- -- few Republicans that this is all.
Well I think it is special prosecutor be Smart but I think what concerns the White House that we -- two people taking the Fifth Amendment you wanna say it's nothing -- you wanna put an end to the other the other just clarify so you -- those who took the fifth.
And -- that she took two and a half.
On this question she hasn't been -- whether she's.
Contemptible -- whatever.
But then there's the other guy who.
Slurs and -- with his friend and his friend who was the recipient of nearly -- his company's groups have been nearly half a billion dollars in Paris contract.
This is an eight is enough that -- That's what it looks like that's what -- -- right and I -- them ideas opinions about this I mean I think -- -- I think what the American people wanted it wants solutions -- I think the Republicans they're working on the witch -- not gonna solve the problems and he pointing out the problems more -- of the -- problems of their creative rights you know you think the mirage it's really it's really Republican projects they -- -- the president is absolutely no water but -- you -- -- and -- problems that Americans.
Are looking for solutions so as long as the president and Democrats continued focus on solution oriented problems.
You see the Democrats fare very well about the we've seen element.
That's always -- -- in their discussion about immigration that's that we saw what happened in Texas couple days ago on with senate Democrats that the Democrats standing up to.
You can say that you have not only any solutions that are.
Hasn't investigated any of the victims -- impressive the virus is a problem you wanna keep going nobody nobody is a knock it over the night and then -- I don't deny the fact that the IRS and it's had its housing problems.
We've we've -- we've we've put in place and there.
We've got -- inadvertently.
Wait wait wait -- for -- why I think plays that's not that kind of a party we're having it let's let's take 25 seconds and let's get the short end from each of you.
What's next for.
My guys are gonna keep bullets in the -- to show that it's essentially.
Government big government it's out of control we -- effective efficient government -- transparent and fort -- thing exactly and this is gonna keep blitzing and hopefully purples and perception that isn't that bad quarterbacks as the author of political order.
This team is right down twenty in and football terminology Republican keep blessing for the Democrats continue to gain yardage as we move closer to the touchdown and that's it went fourteen midterm elections.
You talking about let me get this it's.
That I feel much better coming on with -- there's no game that helped.
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If you didn't get out -- blitz package on workflow -- Sorry I couldn't sorry to the other anywhere full.
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You you get which you yet -- -- we're gonna think -- quick break but when we come back judge Andrew Pollack and I will be here.
And we will explore the legalities politics and everything else.
About the NSA's.
-- -- Going to be scrambling jets -- to get a 49 year old.
-- -- dismiss this came from one president Barack Obama.
Who was there -- press conference in Senegal with the president of that country.
President -- And this is -- -- and welcome back and the president that 29 year old.
-- that the president was sorry about there was one Edwards Snowden.
Who is -- thing in Russia right now not exactly -- ally of the United States.
President was answering -- question about how come we can't get our hands on mr.
Who was at work for contractor who work for the NSA.
And apparently made off to accuse that with the keys to the kingdom John Kerry and others have said that it put -- American lives at risk.
President downplayed it today said he's not calling anybody not doing anything about it and he's not worried about it.
Do you buy that.
It's a tough sell but let's ask somebody who can see in two.
Can probe into the -- today.
-- -- -- And that is Andrew Pollack on out he is the judge and he is the Fox News channels -- Analysts judge -- it was a pleasure rear Corsica probe into his inscrutable mind.
But I can't but there's no way I mean he went on and on we played just a snippet of screaming jets for some actor.
But he made that point like five different ways this is routine it whenever there's nothing routine about Edwards note being an -- Agreed agreed there's nothing -- him -- about any of medicine and even though I have applauded -- revelations and stated that they were the act of a patriotic hero.
Because I believe that his post revelation behavior and Odyssey some of an odd and inexplicable.
To us does not diminish.
The value that he added to the national debate by telling us what he was -- The president's job is to enforce the law this guy's been charts with a couple of with a couple of felonies I don't know what's going.
So honestly I don't think you can escape the federal government forever.
No matter where -- end -- -- federal court decisions.
Which permit the feds to kidnap you happen -- recently in Milan Italy the feds don't admit -- kidnapped as she opened federal marshalls on each side and you say that the judge judge.
Two days ago I was in Milan Italy and suddenly in that appear obstructing kidnapped by these guys -- yes and the court will say.
That's a cause of action you may have against them we're happy that you're here -- -- concerned with how you got here.
We are not concerned with value here -- this that you can file suit or do something incorrect but that you are you are the person the government says you are human charges this crime -- -- -- -- -- we're -- proceed with -- criminal prosecution.
So the court is very clear on and I'm sure that -- and the folks.
Advising him know that.
-- -- the president wanna down play -- That this is this is for your analysis and aren't -- Smart political front.
In light of what general Allen said yesterday I have a great credit -- question general Brown's credibility for reasons you know get a dog and pony show congressman Rogers -- Question from FBI agent turned congressman -- Rogers.
Do you have the ability.
To read -- -- of phone calls answer no we don't have the authority.
No follow up -- them like Carlos generally answer that question.
But it congressman Rogers was as a Christian -- getting the truth as as -- generalist nevertheless.
Who heads the NSA.
Carey who heads the department stated you just both said.
This is far worse than revealing the existence of the NSA spying human beings will die as a result so why would the president.
I want to distance himself from that.
Well I I don't -- and the -- that the president who is not getting a lot respect right now.
From our adversaries of president -- China and certainly the perennially shirtless Vladimir Putin.
Is -- and that is not -- not.
There's not doing much to show.
Respect for President Obama.
Whether it's on climate change nuclear weapons trade anything else they're they're they're scoring points with their domestic political audiences.
By knocking the US president round.
But the president -- -- score points with his domestic political audience -- being so -- Yes well -- what he's trying to say this doesn't I -- asked I'm not worried because what he doesn't want to say it's called Vladimir Putin's three.
Times that he won't let us know they don't own right exactly if you don't want to be in the situation is is political leader.
You'll be in the situation where you're declaring -- -- on this subject you want to say.
I don't even -- I don't even care but I had I had flashes to pass including Bill Clinton searching.
For the name Monica Lewinsky remember that -- gas Bill Clinton's.
I yeah I right now however call.
Rain rain rain.
I I guess -- presidents -- on international trips they want to appear international.
Concern themselves with domestic politics but this this is far beyond.
Domestic politics and take -- libertarian.
Hat off for a minute.
And just speak is that judge.
This will be if mr.
Snowden who lives and comes into American custody.
The most significant espionage prosecution -- Rosenberg's right in terms of what he knows.
What he revealed and what that government will have to admit.
It was doing in order to prosecute him.
Remember for espionage the government has to show him.
That he helped our enemies and that that was his intention -- he'll he'll say that was the by product that wasn't the intention.
In that it harmed at the US in order to do that and -- reveal under oath and and a public courtroom what it was doing.
So if if he is ever prosecuted.
This will be a trial unlike any that the present era has seen so what is.
What's the law about -- you you have we believe and we're not sure about this but we believe that mr.
Snowden is in limbo now he's in the airport in Moscow.
He doesn't have a valid passport anymore.
He's been offered asylum in different places.
Putin is not the ideal host if you are mr.
Snowden who we think was trying to get to Latin America -- mr.
boot is not an ideal -- because.
It's authoritarian strongman who are -- the United States generally.
Are not the kind of people that you want to be dealing with it but what you -- -- currency.
Is damaging information about the United States.
I would think that they -- -- if he really has damaging information about the United States in a laptop or those plastic bags at the people's views which some housekeeping and Sandra.
-- was right I would think that that's he's been relieved -- that probably against as well yeah he's he's lost the opportunity.
To trade for.
-- legally speaking if Ecuador is gonna require that he quote present himself.
At a consulate I don't know how we can get there he's got to get from this this this no man's land in the airport to an Ecuadorian embassy in Moscow.
He would he would have to do that in the company of diplomats have some sort of diplomatic immunity.
Police who have some authority from a Putin's himself with the KGB get in there yes -- it -- get whatever KGB calls itself today right.
Yes -- so I don't see this ending soon I don't see it ending happily for the president.
Either way I am happy that the world now knows what the name American public now knows what the government's been doing and lying about it how it -- will be another issue.
But do you wish mr.
snow and made it revelations in state of the states and presented so prosecute I think will be a lot easier for this to have a happy ending -- that.
Ego that segment at the end because view.
Made it smarter about the law and about indeed some mens -- -- -- -- -- -- -- it's what you do so we thank you for being doesn't make.
Sure okay Internet.
What -- note.
Limits on burning -- make electricity.
-- is 37%.
Of the electrical generating load in the United States that's a lot.
If we're gonna make it -- -- -- happens well we'll talk to a guy who knows.
And he also -- them vote and as well as -- good Kentucky and we'll talk Mike Duncan when we come back this program.
And that's -- coal fired car.
Well kind of that is a night -- 2013 Ford C Max energy plugin hybrid.
Plugged in there you see.
To -- little electricity which most of it.
Most likely came from Google -- this is power -- welcome back.
So and America's green energy future.
That the president has talked about he says he's going to come through it.
Disruptive process in wage.
Electricity is necessarily going to have to cost more.
Because of new limits placed on making electricity.
Is the largest source of electors in states -- -- what about that that's a good question.
Mike Duncan knows some answers to this heat is.
Head of the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity -- you may remember him.
Many but I like the most is Kentucky bankers.
Go back was definitely don't -- could be with you okay so you represent the coal industry and people.
But in the energy industry who are using -- people who -- running trains that take -- two places to burn it.
Give us just an idea.
For the sake of our discussion what's the scope what's the size of the coal industry.
Well the American coalition for clean collectors -- presents the four major railroads and groups and some of them major utilities in the country Sutton be the house of the major coal companies -- coal companies of this country provide almost 40% of the electricity that powers the cars.
-- the homes and in that.
Energy for people and the manufacturing here.
Okay and this is a lot of jobs this is a lot of money and this is that this is of this is a pretty big deal it's not just.
I think you know when people think about the coal industry in the United States they're thinking about.
A few minor -- someplace this is a huge industry that touches the lives of hundreds of thousands of people but also.
Touch the lives of every American in the -- when they turn on the lights -- Right absolutely and and I was to support this week with the presents an announcement obviously.
But I wasn't surprised because this has been coming from new administration's.
We disagree with because it is a disruptive force -- -- premise that you opened with that electricity heads to be -- more expensive.
Is not necessarily true.
Electricity has to be affordable it has to be reliable it has to be there when you flip the switch.
Yeah now in terms so basically.
To correct me if I'm wrong what I understand what residence that was -- some tough new regulations.
On -- On the power industry.
In its first term that relate to new.
And what he said this week was that he wants to take those same rules and reach back -- to existing power plants what's the consequence that would.
Well he proposed.
Rules for new power plants that.
The fact do.
Made it that no new power plants could be built or we couldn't improve power plants to make.
The -- cleaner.
And you know we spent over.
Hundred billion dollars in the last thirty years doing is reduced over 90% of the articulate.
And or working on this on the car.
And he made that impossible.
This week the proposals were afraid -- gonna go too far and shut down.
More coal plants we've gotten rid of some coal plants that were older and maybe you couldn't be scrubbed.
Now we're getting into the base load of the country with these rules on existing -- and that's bad for America.
How long does it take for something like this to go in place no regulation happens overnight they're still you guys are still wrangling over the first batch of these regulations they're going into place.
But the even the the federal government doesn't do anything that quickly.
How long does it take for these new regulations go into effect it will have.
So I try to be -- reasonable person we are trying to work with the administration saying wait -- -- It's not possible to meet these standards and don't you want us to get better -- use these reasonable ways forces took to get there.
To answer your specific question there will be a -- -- comment period and we will like comments during that period lots of other people only comments.
And and it goes to the states because the states have to come up to -- -- If you're looking at this -- NC battle.
The first battle is here in in DC and and we intend to engage with the administration give them ideas help them understand.
From our perspective from the American consumer's perspective what this would do and then it goes to the states they'll make individual decisions there.
Now I know that there is probably the -- election in the time that that that that happens and this will be I guarantee you this will be an issue not just in states like West Virginia and Kentucky.
But other states that have a high.
Reliance and dependence on coal fired electricity.
It's all over the country and it has to do with -- of the country from 32 cents that your -- per kilowatt.
Hawaii and nineteen cents in California -- and in Connecticut to.
Then -- instance that your payments.
Or southern states yes this will be an issue that energy as a whole needs to be an issue before the -- What you think you treatment.
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-- -- says Obama says he didn't call prudent.
But he did include he said -- -- busy I'll get back them no doubt working out who was no networking working -- going shirtless on horseback or something like that.
We'll do this right and also -- -- it credit for this let me get this straight.
Ford O'Connell is wearing Clinton's White House sat -- and now -- I didn't mean stocks.
And and regulars are sport it's of course -- it's it's fun.
Those are some of your comments you have migrate thanks.
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