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-- always happy to welcome senator ran full -- microphones.
Doctor Paul the senator from Kentucky who has stated he is not or did not vote tonight.
With a gang of eight on the immigration bill senator -- -- of Bergen appreciate it very much.
Yeah out of -- -- if they can -- the the senate did overwhelmingly pass of what was your objection.
We have been in favor of immigration reform and in fact in some way down to the right of this bill and quite -- elected there's still much.
I think it really need to have more work -- in the sense that.
I don't want to limit the amount -- people coming to work because if you do then they'll come in illegally.
So right now we have no pieces.
No limit on pieces for -- workers people who come and pick crops.
Mean harder workers have come in for decades and there's no limit this bill actually for the first time puts a limit.
At a 1101000.
Workers -- -- But the estimate is that about.
400000 people come -- to pick crops.
So my question is it 400000 come in every year because the jobs existing lyrics to a 100000.
That -- you're gonna invite 300000 people have to come into a legal and I have that problem and then my other problem is more of conservative problem stood I think border security should be voted on.
By congress before.
We begin the documentation process and I'm not against -- -- the workers here.
But I am against doing it in -- congress votes insist that we're doing an adequate job you know in the border.
And -- they had about 46 billion to the border security part of the bill.
Noted that -- entice people like you to vote for.
Yet they get an impact they make -- on actually overboard on -- -- agency say there's agents you know every mile or so now.
And that's part of border security but part of border security is having is functioning work the -- program and so.
The bill that kind of caught up the end.
-- You know the unions want to limit how many workers can command so they wanna put caps on construction workers Kaplan and workers.
-- I'm mark my fear and -- -- didn't have how many workers succumb.
-- and the jobs are available and Americans are taking him -- or treasured needed an immigrant certain needed.
And you're driving enforcing these people into the underground by capping how many people could come the end.
It's funny this bill -- portrayed as being pro immigrant worker but in reality actually have some caps that may make it to force people into the underground.
-- this been bad for the Republican Party that you've got rubio.
On one side and people who support the bill like the gang of eight and people like yourself on the other.
And of course making people making these pronouncements about well if something isn't done about immigration it's going to be -- for the party.
Yeah you know I don't know I mean I think overall the last decade or two if not longer we have had trouble and Republican parties because -- there appears to be an animosity towards him drenched.
And I think some of that attitude as much or more open policy.
It and for example it senator rubio I don't have anything against him I think his motives are good.
In fact I think my motives -- the same interest as we just had a slightly different approach just what the bill should -- And I still hope I can -- -- -- immigration reform I'm hoping that the house will come up something mortem I'm liking and that what comes out is something that I might be out of support.
Because I think the current system is broken and we have ten million people here illegally.
Because -- have a -- legal process.
For example one of the great crimes that they say I'm not saying that that -- -- -- an illegal -- is that they overstayed their visa.
But the reason again they came in here pick crops for nine dollars an hour -- eight dollars an hour.
And then another job was available construction job at fourteen dollar an hour and took it because it was good for their -- -- so -- -- -- call them for doing that.
But -- -- system -- and now they're illegal because we don't like you change jobs.
The interesting thing about the senate bill that does this -- thing.
And -- at work her you have to pick crops for five years we only changed jobs.
The same intent never bad in -- still there but fourteen hour.
Fourteen dollar hour job -- construction becomes available and you try to get and they pay you cash.
We're now forcing you into the underground still gets caught up and all the politics between business and labor and all of -- stuff.
And it has been an easy decision all the oldest -- I don't know what ultimately happens all the politics for Republicans.
But I do know that yeah.
A lot of it's about treating people the dignity -- tried more and more to call people there.
I'm here and or call them undocumented doesn't go to Italy and I -- That is something many consider below that's that's just a bunch of junk I think it is true I think it is true that they aren't they didn't rob someone they didn't steal based on the better life for their scrambling.
It's great to give you an episode what do we do about that the people who already here you know it's not really amnesty to give them a thirteen year.
Process -- which they would have to jump through a lot of hoops to finally become citizens of this country.
I agree and I don't use the word 92 words and overused I think we get trapped in the rhetoric of -- -- amnesty Europe well the citizenship it's instead of trying to get to the specific about it.
So all I am in favor of giving work the system those who -- here wanna work and our country back to Sandra Logan -- consequential yet.
The bill didn't actually work on me but I still believe that I don't think we send people home I don't think -- You know have to do all of this you know harsh rhetoric that Republicans in the past -- -- so I think we have made mistakes and I think the good thing is the country.
And it shouldn't always be about winning or losing whether Republicans -- -- Democrats winner whoever.
It should be about -- do the right thing in the right thing you know it is more work we're not trying to push for you immigration is moving forward.
But I two there are still some of us that want.
You know congress status say -- it and frankly it may not be having a gazillion border agents -- May be more important to have a good work piece of.
-- you think the house might be able to bring something to the table.
To compromise with the senate situated you could be able to jump on board.
I -- so and in fact I've talked to house members I had breakfast this morning with ten or fifteen conservatives.
And -- told them at every meeting that I hope -- you know we will get some kind of immigration reform.
And that the house will will pass something.
And I think a lot of them are inclined to do so you have some of them come from -- states some of them understand.
That former -- immigrant workers.
And there's only a few people that are just opposed immigration period.
Most Republicans are I think sort of in the middle on this.
In -- we want -- assistant.
But we also don't want to be accused.
Ten years later there's ten million more people here illegally it's like why did you go to -- -- -- they didn't fix a problem.
You know that the Cato Institute a libertarian think things and a lot of work on the immigration issue and actually shows it's really great for the economy.
To make sure these people here legally they don't have -- live under the radar and allowing immigrants and is very good for the bottom line of this country.
Yeah I think in the end -- not as heroes some kind of got it says so we can't we can't so find places and -- there isn't -- for that.
-- I talked of farmers in my state and they say frankly we put ads intrinsic force us to put ads in the paper which.
Looking for Americans to help us in the fields but they don't they don't come.
Com and to -- the complicated problem I think we've gone too far overboard.
In letting able bodied people not work and our country.
And but in my that is music -- the growth of the economy is good to bring in new workers.
And you have said before I think.
There's all the cultures come together in our country bringing unique assets which make -- richer and stronger in many lives.
-- senator Rand Paul of Kentucky just couple more minutes what do you expect -- happen -- what's the next step going to be.
In this immigration debate overwhelmingly pass the senate tonight but that doesn't mean passage in the house and certainly we've got a long way to go to finally make this into a bill that can become long.
I think the center of the house will now perhaps they have been passing -- -- talking about passing for five individual bills.
There may be a technical way of grouping them into one bill and then maybe there's some kind of conference committee or negotiation.
To try to see what we get all passed the biggest problem we have a bigger and this is the biggest problem between Republicans and Democrats is that.
Let's say there's a thousand items there might be a hundred you and I agree on or 200.
We we can't figure out a way to good just -- -- things we agree on.
We -- that other stuff gets in the way because we don't show you gotta agree -- all -- in which to be leading the bill has to be so large.
I have so many things that ultimately people think -- objectionable.
So I didn't think we should narrow the focus of a lot of things.
And that there are a lot of things could get down -- -- -- I talk to Democrats are data say.
He knew we agree on this what we do this and they say well that's the sweetener for the big bill we're gonna get Sunday.
I can't do everything else could have withheld their IPO the Affordable Care Act became like that.
That's when Nancy Pelosi sadly we won't know it's -- until it passes because they can't Jay Leno -- -- -- and it got bigger and bigger unit out when was passed really only one party supporting yet to -- any bipartisan child support for that.
But there are things that we could get Bob Parsons support.
On making our taxes more competitive with the rest of the world this and that but what kind of always waiting for the bigger bill and the bigger bill is harder for everybody -- -- frustrating for you to take issue we are fighting against a system that's been a -- for a long time and -- was one person can't change that system.
Yeah and initial entry to that initial frustration that there are good things should happen -- -- and I met today at a press conference split.
Members come the left side of the Democrat party and the rights -- -- Republican Party also and we shouldn't be sending arms to Syria.
And kind of prevent us from getting involved in the war there.
That is that there are some interesting happens and -- -- -- -- senator Wyden from -- and civil -- So there are talented I think -- we really do see true.
Bipartisanship going -- and we you know we keep our fingers crossed and out for the best.
Just interesting conundrum about Syrian that we don't wanna be seen as as uncaring about an evil dictators during terrible things to his people but the other hand every coming in love -- -- country.
In a way we should not it comes back to haunt us -- system which money and the end result is always horrible.
Well on the and the irony that is is stacked.
In 2001 and the use of force for Afghanistan's -- Q after the Taliban.
Al -- and associated forces.
But the people in one arm and Syria are now associated we're -- -- al-Qaeda and they're also Islamic rebels.
I really don't like the Christians -- well I don't know -- -- care too much bottom of the Christians are on the other side of the war basically.
They live amongst the -- whites and have been protected by -- I don't think there -- any real great players in this.
You noticed what Israel does -- Israel just draws one line in this and they say -- weapons are gonna go on the level anonymous stop that from happening.
But you don't see Israel really arming other side because I'm not sure they may -- Think it's the rebels win -- necessarily be friend -- Israel.
-- -- -- -- -- -- where we side with there's some very difficult alliances there -- always appreciate you coming on the program tonight thanks so much for your time.
-- thanks very much senator Rand Paul of Kentucky.
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