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And hello again from Fox News in Washington after much emotional debate the push to overhaul the nation's immigration laws secured a victory last week in the senate.
With the passage of a bill giving millions of immigrants the chance to eventually become US citizens.
But it has a long road to go before it becomes the law of the land.
The battle now moves to the house for many Republican members oppose the proposed pathway to citizenship.
Joining us are two members of the gang -- -- responsible for drafting the senate bill.
John McCain of Arizona he's in Jerusalem today and Charles Schumer of New York senator's.
Good just talk to you this morning -- we start with you Senator McCain after years of trying after years of going after this after suffering the slings and arrows you did.
You finally have a bill are you concerned that your colleagues in the house may derail all of the work that you've done.
Well I'm concerned about that task ahead of us I believe that.
It's a fact that the overwhelming majority in the American people support this proposal once it's explained to them.
And I believe that the coalition that we've assembled of support ranging from.
-- Catholic Church business labor farm workers.
It's a coalition that I frankly have never seen such.
Widespread support and I'm hopeful that we can convince our.
House colleagues and we -- I intend to.
Address -- with respect I believe that speaker Boehner has a tough job -- I admire his leadership and but we've got a lot of work to do.
-- senator Schumer speaker Boehner says that he's not going to kick at the senate bill the house will write his own bill and it appears the way the house is going.
It rather than a comprehensive immigration bill that passed through the senate is in bite sized chunks.
With the path to citizenship being the last of those -- now the president has said that he is not put aside any immigration bill that does not include.
A path to citizenship so from the outset.
Are you concerned that immigration reform -- debt.
No not at all in fact I believe that by the end of this year.
The house will pass the senate bill I know that's not what they think now and they'll say oh no that's not what's gonna happen but I think it will -- let me explain why.
First I understand -- speaker Boehner is coming from I have a lot of respect for the house.
And he's got a whole lot of Republican members I'm sure a majority of our caucusing they will vote no.
They fear Republican primaries from the right if they vote yes.
But I believe over the next several months that dynamic will change.
And they will start -- and they can't vote for it they still worried about their primaries but let it get let it go let it -- -- off our backs for three reasons for reasons actually first.
The coalition John mentioned it's a broad and deep coalition.
-- people who usually don't side.
The Catholic church and the evangelicals the business community the growers.
And now they're gonna feel a desire high tech is really enthusiastic they're going to feel a desire to get this done quickly second.
The national Republican leadership will tell John Boehner if you don't pass a bill.
Then we're gonna be a minority party for a generation and he's not only the house leader he's a party leader third.
This has the potential for being one of the greatest civil rights movements we've ever seen I could see the end of this summer a million people on the mall and -- -- asking for the bill and who's going to be onstage not the usual suspects but the bishops in the evangelicals in the business leaders.
And very importantly is what we're not gonna let this issue go away the strong supporters of immigration.
Are going to be at the town hall meetings of Republican congressman they're going to be visiting them in their offices they're going to be trade traipsing in the halls of congress we've seen the power these DREAM Act kids.
You put all that together.
And you add one more fact I don't think speaker Boehner can pass piecemeal bills.
In other words let's take the toughest one enforcement means no Democrat will vote for any bill without a path to citizenship and about forty Republicans are saying they're not voting for any bill -- they don't want it can't.
They don't want -- conference all right so within several months speaker Boehner.
Will find two choices no bill.
Or -- a bill passed with the majority of democratic votes and some chamber of commerce type Republicans and -- find that the better choice will pass the senate bill by the end of this year even though most house members don't think so.
Played there was a lot in there to digest -- naturalistic and or -- Senator McCain do you agree Senator McCain that the house will eventually passed the senate bill could Republicans be perpetually in the minority if they don't come forward with some sort of immigration reform and thirdly.
Speaker Boehner said that he is not going to bring this to the floor without the majority of support of his caucus he's invoking what's known as the pastor role.
Would you encourage him mentally deceive your last answer this question first of all would you encourage him.
To waive -- pastor rule in this case.
I respect and admire John Boehner we've -- colleagues and friends for many years and I respect his leadership and I really don't feel it's appropriate for me to tell him exactly how he should handle this.
One thing I -- one emphasized.
You know there's always friction between the house and the senate a lot of -- understandable a lot of it just egos but.
I respect the house representatives I I respect their views and we have a job ahead of us in convincing them but these.
But it's not we're not gonna be alone here justice chuck and I just mentioned there's a coalition not -- have the likes of which I haven't seen.
Also the congress sooner or later response to public opinion.
When US the American people.
If they support this if these people who are here illegally pay back taxes learn English.
Stood in line behind everybody else plus a tough border.
Security provision plus an.
Then I think you've got a winning combination here it's not going to be easy but.
I'm really hesitate to tell speaker -- -- exactly how he should do this.
But I think Republicans realize the implications.
Of the future of the Republican Party in America.
If we don't get this issue behind action by the way we do share the common goal.
Believing that the de facto amnesty is there -- that we need to bring eleven million people out of the shadows.
Let me switch gears and John I'd say well good thing if if I might.
In three times in the last six months.
Speaker Boehner has violated the so called pastor cruelty -- in the fiscal cliff.
And in the violence against women act and -- -- -- starts a farm well he hasn't done that yet because they defeated but they might do it on the farm bill as well right.
So he always starts out by saying this in the past -- for his caucus like John McCain I have huge respect for the man I think he's.
Really tries to do the right thing under difficult circumstances.
But I think the dynamics for John mentioned in some that I've collaborated arm.
Are going to force him to abandon that has to rule cause he'll have nothing.
Or we'll have the senate bill and the for some of these Republicans the lesser of two evils is the senate bill.
Let me switch gears of -- -- because there is a lot to talk about this morning and -- Senator -- something that's going on very close to you.
The huge protests going on in Egypt today the instability of that largest of the Arab nation countries in terms of population right there.
On the border with Israel.
Are you concerned about the level of instability that there has been in that country continues to -- it looks like it's escalating.
Since the overthrow the -- I'm very concerned about it and I think all of us should be.
It's a very serious situation.
But I'd also like to mention that it's part of what's happening across some Middle East.
But my focus right now and concern really is more on Syria.
That issue now going from -- civil war to a regional conflict.
Jordan is destabilize -- Lebanon's be stabilized since becoming a proxy war.
Between the United States and Iran and we are sitting by and watching all this happened we need American leadership we need a no fly zone we need to.
Understand that when -- -- crushed a quote red line and use of chemical weapons.
If we do nothing after the president's saying it was a game changer.
The Iranians certainly aren't -- -- believe we're serious about nuclear weapons.
-- Schumer let me ask you about that the president announced that he is going to be providing arms to Syrian rebels.
The CIA is moving weapons to Jordan it says it will quote vet rebel groups.
Before it arms them a question a lot of people have is how do you adequately vet a Syrian rebel group.
Well I think that's one of the reasons the president's been cautious Syria has a broad range of groups summer pro democratic summer just Sunnis who have been oppressed by the yellow white minority.
But some are pretty bad -- -- is an affiliate of al-Qaeda.
And there's worry today I've seen people talking about the fact that gutter is giving them.
Missiles that can take out airplanes if -- -- about one of those and sent it over to al-Qaeda they could knock out a commercial airliners so there's a lot of worry here it's it's a very difficult situation.
Senator McCain you if you were recently in Syria and as a result of that trip there were several reports.
That claim that you had a photograph taken with the notorious -- named Mohamed nor your spokesman says if that was the case it was regrettable that.
Senator Rand Paul picked up on that essentially said if you don't know -- you're having your photo taken with how do you know -- you're given weapons.
Well I knew I know who I met with -- that in fact I met with a group of Syrians.
Yesterday their brave people are fighting for freedom I know who they are I know general -- his leadership.
It is air power that is just that is given by -- -- this tremendous advantage.
-- a 100000.
People have been killed and 8000 of them are children.
That is that -- -- occurred goes on.
And what -- -- cries out for American leadership we need American leadership and that's what I get in every country and every.
Every one of these people that I talk -- and yes I know the difference should -- you know -- And and the legitimate people who we should be supporting and the best way to do that -- give them a safe area to operate out of in that in Syria and we can do it with cruise missiles and we do not need any boots on the ground.
Time is growing short there's another topic I wanna move on to a that is the latest in the NFC leaks investigation -- students continued status as a kind of guest if you will look Russia and the transit -- -- Sherman to vote airport.
President Obama addressed this at his press conference in Senegal the other stimulus was and what he said.
I have not called president -- personally or president prudent personally and the reason is because.
I shouldn't have to know I'm not going to be scrambling jets.
To get a 29 year old.
-- Senator McCain the president seems to be playing down the significance of of Edward -- is is is that the way you see it and should he be picking up the phone.
Well I don't know what the president should be picking up the phone or not but I do know that this is a direct slap in the face to the United States of America.
We should be now I -- finally realizing what -- -- -- who managed.
He's an older colonel KGB apparatus kick and he dreams of the restoration of the Russian empire.
He is funneling arms and assistance and to Bashar.
Aside they thumb our nose at us it would no matter what the issue is and we should.
Deal realistically not a return of the Cold War.
-- veteran Vladimir Putin and that means -- missile defense in Europe that means expansion.
Of the magnate -- bill.
And it also means.
Recognizing that Vladimir Putin is -- well but if we keep pushing and I think we push the reset back down to about 1955.
And so we have to deal realistically.
Where -- autocratic ruler of Russia who continues to repress.
People in Russia and behaves in a manner which is.
Not in that -- world peace and good relations between.
Russia and the United States.
Her shiver your system rather pointed things about President Putin a week ago seven days have gone by nothing has happened what what are you thinking now and do you agree with Senator McCain that perhaps we need to up the pressure that.
I do completely I'm not sure it should be done publicly at this point with snowed in still in Russian hands but they should pay a price.
Either diplomatic economic geopolitical.
For doing what they did they always are putting their finger in our Ryan -- say one other thing we -- to be very clear with Ecuador.
That if they take -- they're gonna pay a price we should cut off the foreign aid we have with them it's about ten million dollars that's not so little.
To a small country.
No more trade status -- its trade status that'll put them in a box -- Colombia and -- now have free trade agreements with us.
And finally -- -- business visas there were 85000 business visas between Ecuador in the US cut them off.
I think we have to really.
Be firm -- -- it's far more complicated relationship but I agree with John McCain he ought to know he's gonna pay a price here because he goes out of his way.
To stick his finger in the -- of America whether it's Iran Syria and now this and he he's not he's got lots of vulnerabilities.
Just to give some context here Senator McCain what senator Schumer was referring to is a phone call that vice president Joseph Biden made the other day the President Rafael Correa of Ecuador saying.
Please do not give Edwards -- Asylum in your country the president a quarter basically said.
While we're not gonna think about that right now because he's not and our territory and maybe we will maybe we walked -- on national television.
Talked about the whole thing and -- a bunch of grievances against the United States.
-- said the president shouldn't call President Putin -- president she should the vice president have called -- -- Korea.
Look I I'm I'm not.
Saying the president should -- -- -- the vice president should or shouldn't.
I'm just saying we've got to deal.
With these countries in a realistic fashion and that is that they're not democratic they are not friends of ours.
And they will do whatever is necessary to damage America's national interest and by the way.
We are hearing now that al-Qaeda and other organizations are changing their strategy.
And their means of communications as a result of mr.
So these things don't happen.
Without some price to be paid in there should be a price to be paid -- and by that I just like throw and I.
Backed immigration second I hope that they need to rush showed the American people and our fellow members of congress that we can work together and maybe -- be a precursor for other things or we will see what happens we'll we'll definitely be watching this very closely.
Senator McCain senator Schumer thanks so much for joining us they really appreciate it.
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