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Good morning welcome back to political insiders on -- the bill today with Doug showdown and sitting in again this week with for -- -- -- in Paris.
Is our great friend Ed Rollins who adds a lot to our show and welcome thank you put -- -- that -- in Paris but that's okay.
-- will send you over there soon sure.
We have a lot to discuss we thought we'd open up a -- suggestion to its panel but more on what we talked about yesterday the international.
Neighbors and the president's role in women out -- -- him.
Here's what I began and I'd love -- -- -- obviously -- take so we have the president now on a trip to ask for.
Having had a a bit of a -- -- with the president of Senegal over gay marriage.
He had hoped to meet Nelson Mandela.
In South Africa tragically Mandela.
Fighting for his life we -- of course wish him the best.
President is now in Tanzania.
You have mr.
Snowden who he's described -- at 29 year old hacker hanging out mosque down.
The Russians in the Chinese having obviously manipulated the situation.
-- short term if not long term advantage.
You have the vice president having interpose himself with president -- -- of Ecuador to try to preclude them from granting him asylum.
But on the larger.
Picture you'll have a United States government.
That is facing.
Outraged with the NSA wiretaps which are -- shown to have systematically attacked the U.
You have us being isolated was Russian and China.
Turkey and Brazil subject to.
And rest and millions of people in the streets over the weekend.
In Egypt and I think as I speak president arguing.
And advocating for or against president -- so it's an unsettled world.
And I haven't seen -- this.
For a long time but I don't even mention Iran -- North Korea.
And in the president.
Does not appear to be sort of went in charge of the situation strong figure -- -- -- used the term -- adrift.
Aimless rather for his presidency -- for his foreign policy also are absolutely right and he's he is like a tourist.
And I don't mean that in any disrespect but it's not like he's.
You need -- to G-8 the American president has historically always been the key player or -- one of the two or three key players this president really has no allies so he basically goes and -- is just one of the eight.
His trip to Africa which obviously you commented he created an insult on the first trip by pushing domestic.
Domestic message to a country that obviously has different viewpoints.
It is it is that you know he's almost a sidebar to -- to the to the Mandela situation and it's not like he's a world leader at a time when.
Country desperately and the country in the world is just looking for -- world -- You know when we were off the -- yesterday in between during the commercial break on the Sunday afternoon Fox News Channel spot.
Doug you said to Gregg Jarrett something I've been thinking about over -- you said I'm worried of about the next three and a half years what with this president we -- -- -- 26 team who's gonna run -- We're just begun the second term of President Obama.
Where's this hadn't well.
Here's the thing if you look domestically John.
I think there's a very real question whether immigration will get past.
President has pushed climate change which is gonna do by executive action that's something of a job killer and of itself.
You have no jobs agenda differs say.
You have a stock market that is volatile.
You have an economy that is remains weak with the GDP having been adjusted downward to one point 8%.
And bottom line you have a leader -- country.
The polarized and and you know.
Schooler product congress.
And I don't have a good answer -- your question you know.
But let's put the fox poll out that we use -- -- the president's approval rating week.
So -- down 43%.
51 disapproves the lowest I think he's -- When Ed.
Does an enemy of the United States read Obama.
So weak and which is this a joint today from things that they make some move on something knowing that there won't be a reaction.
I think they made the judgment are ready people like food and others that he's not a strongly here.
-- The poll numbers are not as relevant he's not gonna go down -- historical lows in the -- probably.
And his low point maybe just on another point or two because you've got a certain constituency group it's not an abandonment any circumstances.
But I think the key thing it's not the numbers it's whether or not he can effectively do anything that the congress or does he wanted to and that the congress the issues ahead -- -- budgetary.
He has no interest whatsoever in sitting down and in and fighting it out.
He's now pointed lot of new Treasury Secretary to Lou.
Who basically do that kind of function he doesn't think he liked dealing with the congress -- -- congress which you know Schumer and others up there are basically running the senate and then.
Boehner and and his colleagues are running the house and then I gonna get together on -- to name.
Parts of the game assist me content let's stick on foreign policy was -- -- to -- -- Edwards -- trapped in the transits on a -- Moscow airport.
Let's do country by country Ecuador.
Biden has been threatening them.
They're agitated about it they haven't accepted and they now say unless he has a past four we won't take and where is -- -- -- And I don't know the more difficult challenge snowed us.
He never wanted to just go to Russia he wanted to go.
-- -- -- Hong -- stated -- go to Iceland Iceland whatever.
But given that pressure that has been ratchet up and I think we can agree it was the right thing to do even -- it took awhile.
The Ecuadorian is because of that pressure and I think that that's right.
Have effectively and concluded that that option at least in the short term.
He could -- -- given what the Russians said he could ask for asylum.
In Russian Russia.
And that would put food near a tough position because I don't think he really wants to put his whole relationship with the United States on the line for -- On the other hand.
Snubs options are pretty darn limited Venezuela's inaudible and -- -- would consider take Venezuela said it you know there's also Cuba.
But you know he didn't go to Cuba when he had a chance that -- had a ticket.
And it's you'd be answered your question is very much unknown to me John is it hurting the president that this guy's still out there.
We can't seem to have corral him.
I don't think of all the issues that are out there -- I don't think this is the one that basically is hurting the president the most.
You know I think this is is a lot lot of diplomatic involvement I think we're making it to that the critical threats as as Biden did did.
To Ecuador saying threatening to cut off -- would have you.
-- -- yeah I don't think he can basically.
Walk in the Moscow and wrestling guy in the in this transitional areas so my sense is sooner or later we'll get him some.
And then the truth of the matter is the danger is he's already done significant damage to both.
Domestically and internationally to our allies when he's told all the stories about how we have.
How would you feel if you -- an embassy here in the United Nations and you felt that you had been.
But -- -- -- what violated or add that these big significant meetings.
International meetings where you.
Most times don't even allow.
Photographs or or recording that all of sudden you understand the US and recording -- -- It's a very good point but there's another issue hasn't gotten a lot of play.
But certainly -- question I think I would ask him -- words how sick guy who's 29.
Without a great personal history.
Working for the NSA on a contract for three months.
Get access to all of us I mean that's that's each.
Where is it technological.
I've read today that we call a fight today.
And unlike most things.
You have in the computer world.
Business where the technologically.
Advanced people have -- lower jobs sometimes and the bosses.
Don't know the business as swallows this -- -- so the general in charge of NSA can say this and that's not happening.
Snowden is actually rooting around in the computers all night.
Knowing more about what's going on than the head guide to us and you tell me how to fix that it's analogous to the credit.
Credit default swaps.
Where the heads of the banks did not understand what was going on as -- as about a hundred people who were doing it in the whole country.
But the issue the issue here it is.
NSA is the most allegedly security agency breath and should.
We now have over five million people in Washington DC -- top secret clearance which is nuts have -- -- And the idea that some guys has no education.
He may be techie may be all the rest of -- but before you let him get into your vault.
You want to make sure you know who he is and and I would argue that they basically that they contract and his security clearance out another contract.
And that's just absurd they basically what we're now sitting in the -- and -- worrying about cyber.
Wars of the future and the tech people are the ones that are gonna conduct these activities and they need to be scrutinized the most of anybody.
You know John -- I'll just tell a brief story that is both.
Know a guy who's applying to get in the new York city police department.
And he told me the level of scrutiny that he and his family have got to just become a police officer.
His extraordinary he said unannounced knocks on historic home.
Calling all -- family going to his wife's place of work to ask about the husband and their relations.
-- care of his children all of this stuff.
On what -- and I say to myself nuts over.
And as this guy's got a gun he's given intense situations.
You want that happening maybe god forbid he would have to deal with terrorism some.
What -- was saying John is exactly right the -- the most secure agency.
You want that level of scrutiny and -- -- and the fact that a guy for three months no history no educational background.
Is able to get access to all this and do what's -- did.
Is -- -- spaghetti or he worked for the CIA so he passed their screening here again and then he leaves there gets hired by Booz Allen Hamilton passes their screening.
And now says he did it all in order to get into these computers and swipe all those -- so -- -- -- to be -- system.
There's always going to be people break -- systems but you always have to have some kind of a check system.
If this is a gambling casino in Las Vegas or anywhere else.
-- won't be looking at you no matter how trusted employee were to make sure you weren't changing cards are taking chips and I would stink and -- secret area.
And I'm not a techie so I can't tell you what what what they should do it shouldn't do.
Other than the fact you do need to buildings and -- because this is the future.
-- -- future warfare it couldn't have spoken to -- -- that rips or take a break on that point we come back talk about 116 Hillary and others there will be right back.
Okay we're back on -- negotiate with Ed Rollins sitting in for Packard -- and Doug shown.
And let's switch now to another topic we've done.
-- good analysis of the farm situation for a minute what let's switch to domestic politics and look -- a little bit.
In the hill today gentlemen is an article saying that up one mostly in the house a little bit in the senate the same.
Members of the house and senate who were for Obama in 06 and 07.
Have now come out or -- leaning towards Hillary for 26 team for the democratic nomination.
Thus making her look even more inevitable to be -- nominate.
At 69 years old.
Where we -- with Hillary and any Democrat running against her -- -- you would say it.
While Hillary has some problems.
Related to bad guys -- the scandals and -- state.
Nonetheless it's pretty likely if there are no.
Serious problems -- revelations.
She will overwhelmingly be the consensus choice of the government.
Credit party and I would -- say the odds on favorite to be elected against a divided and now less than impressive field in my overstating it -- No I don't know if you she wants to be the nominee she freezes some of the other more serious candidates.
-- and some others who talked about it.
-- to say thank you very much on.
Same -- -- -- -- -- that she is I've earned my right after eight years of being the vice president I'm gonna run.
Or Howard Dean last -- said on CNN that from progressive does not run against her he may run again mr.
so I don't think she -- to run free.
But I think she'd be very very tough to beat.
She will energize women voters pretty much keep the coalition together that supported Obama.
Whether she can be -- or not is not gonna depend so much on her record which certainly will be in play.
But what happens in the next three and a half years with the president.
Is this administrations and such disarray in the economy still terrible.
That is hard for any Democrat and Republican becomes acceptable alternative but it's an uphill battle you know.
-- she has lost in the month of may now in July but in the month the mag fourteen points overall in her poll ratings right Republicans and independents right -- from Democrats -- -- -- -- That as we talked about -- not since president to be Eisenhower in 52.
Has there ever been a non incumbent.
So overwhelmingly likely to be nominated by a major political parties as Hillary is this for -- mean I couldn't -- either party.
He did was challenge you know yet to beat senator Taft she's gonna have to beat somebody but it's not going to be a formidable opponent but -- -- though.
All that raises -- real question she served in the Obama administration there are questions.
About that service that remain.
But fundamentally if the president's economic record.
And his record overseas is we were suggesting the first second and it's remains problematic.
She will have to.
Defended at the same time she distances itself.
Which is a very very artful challenge -- was similar to what George H.
Bush had to do in 1988 and while he won the election.
He was running on the coattails of Ronald Reagan at a time when his own poll numbers swooned.
What Mike Dukakis emerged only given the weakness of Dukakis and the strength of Ronald Reagan.
For bush to come back in February normally involved in those days -- was.
I was standing just -- her example was -- bush had been a loyal vice president for eight years was challenged by Bob Dole majority leader Jack camp.
Number two guy three guy in the House of Representatives.
Sort of a conservative spiritual leader and several others Pete DuPont.
At the end of the day you know my sense is nobody gets a free ride.
She will come as close as anybody.
I think the key thing in her.
Campaign if she -- one together and no one quite knows who's gonna run and it can be chaotic as it was the last time I mean she never should have lost.
Nomination last time when you go back and look of the things mistakes they made strategically against Obama.
My sense he she will start as a front runner up finishes in front runner and be a very formidable talents.
LaMont about -- say -- looking at her.
She is a terrible candidate.
And a terrible administrator.
And -- of things she's done a bad job at the State Department bad job and -- senate office -- her.
Campaign with poorly run.
I mean you're actively supported Jeremiah I think probably -- -- put -- down as undecided voters but seriously.
I would I think this does tell us about I want that they don't run things while.
I'm not how -- differently in the sense I thought she's far superior candidate.
-- -- -- at the close of the campaigns you've got a better shot the last -- I thought the last this accidentally just strategic mistake of ignoring the caucuses can't be overestimated the caucuses and the super delegates yes as someone who is a part of the establishment.
To not basically where there's 400 super delegates that made the difference.
They're not basically -- the super delegates was -- and ask for the general election as we talked about all fair.
Who is not who who voted for Obama.
This past November of that group 52% of the voting populace who event of them -- not gonna vote for.
Here's the here's the problem it's not so much that they're not get a vote -- a dollar thing today -- would probably as if -- country remains.
-- -- as I've suggested and we discussed.
It's going to be hard for say four or five or 6% of them largely independents -- conservative Democrats to say you know what.
We just can't take that said.
But then comes the Republican alternatives asks to be acceptable to those people right I can't turn -- more I think we have some great governors out there my assumption.
Is it which may be a false assumption.
That one of those governors will emerge they've had some great success stories.
And it and I can't tell you which -- going to be the forefront at this point in time.
But for the first time in my lifetime as Republican which is forty plus years there is no front -- on -- side.
I think that.
Mitt Romney making a lot of noise he may very well.
Think about a third Rodman who just can't I don't believe he can but believe that he can get -- New York that -- do you in the probably you know John is always sick offense around every candidate.
Instead of only we would have done this if only -- -- lot of work.
If only Lotta different pollster -- who have had a different strategists had nothing to do with the candidate.
Where in this case it did have some of the candidate yet it he -- a nice man running that no message other than Obama's been an effective.
I'll -- this can Chris Christie who was the one Republican in the head to head polls with Hillary and does well against her within the margin of error generally.
Can Chris Christie win the Republican nomination in two point six thing he's gonna have to reposition aggressively to the right.
He wins almost certain -- election.
In November and I would take your question and ask Ed you run Republican primary is a lot more that I have can Chris -- -- -- I think he has a much.
Tougher time and he thinks he gets he is -- north east Republican which are very few.
I -- loved by the Wall Street community -- have a big victory I think in November he'll be -- front runner in every poll.
Then we don't run national campaigns we run you start and Iowa.
Iowa does not like Chris Christie at this point in time.
They don't like Obama at this point in time and -- Democrats -- there aren't they don't like the immigration plan and his right hand guy we appointed to the senate seat.
Voted for immigration.
So my sense is I was tough south Carolina's tough.
Even New Hampshire is tough.
And I think to certain XT 11 of those three you really out of the game as Rudy Giuliani was in front runner what does he goes -- -- One of these.
Town hall forums and New Hampshire.
And he does his trademark attack on the question.
And -- -- -- that -- -- that you're an idiot for asking that question it the new York New Jersey personality does not sell in other parts of this country.
And I would that be my biggest concern is he's a very two fisted fight so feisty guy.
And he's kind of like a bully.
And a lot of people around the country don't like yeah.
I thought this -- that he in the short run he can be very.
And engaging here is popular you can say hi guys -- will he Wear well over time the beauty of Reagan.
And Clinton generally is they wore while you didn't get sick you want to look at me.
The bush is used to and about Obama people are getting a little sick and have that we've he's been overexposed.
I don't think Chris Christie will do well with exposure if he has this angry but also think his health I mean.
Look if you're -- though he's he's got the lap band surgery he is losing where.
Let's say a -- race for the presidency.
Is a marathon.
Including a sprint.
And you know it's one thing to lose weight but I would say this.
Bush George H.
And Barack Obama then all they have old good athletes or without -- time right on the right.
Yeah yes you know it's tedious and having been through nine presidential campaigns for -- -- you were on a plane returning yesterday.
Every day for four months.
Physically I don't think I can do and -- got in shape to octopus you also want to thank him marathoner.
It is it is grueling.
You have it's it's not like -- got managers who get picked up nearly losing you get taken the cap -- -- -- home again at the end of the day you're on planes off planes in its ruling.
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