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A surprise to many court today prosecutors -- tapes of George Zimmerman police -- -- Paid sick game features a chance to hear is -- -- person of the story.
Don't know if he loses these.
What humbled me and I got -- sold -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Do and I have a problem and he punishing those.
Wait I -- down.
I try to defend themselves -- she started punching me in the face and -- searching for help I couldn't see -- and Marines.
And then dessert yeah.
It was sorry I didn't see.
We're getting ready to punch.
So yeah -- actually pull backwards.
Into the grass and he bragged that he was wearing my goodness.
Then I started yelling help.
-- it would help -- ground -- he started hitting my.
-- Irish -- and you and is it is so.
When he started doing that slid the grass trying.
Under an excellent students.
-- for help.
Do you see people looking and seeing guys you know on one must only hope he's guilty.
And he puts his hand on my nose.
He says you're gonna die.
Don't -- -- much after that.
I couldn't breathe and that you still kind of in my head against the pavement.
I -- -- -- -- time when it was.
My jacket my shirt came up.
I wouldn't say you're gonna -- my.
Side and I thought it wasn't for my -- -- -- grounded immediately because he spent my head games.
So excited that prosecution tape help joining us our legal panel in Washington Bernie -- except Cisco.
Jim Hammer and here in Sanford.
Ted Williams and Diana tennis tech first you know of course -- it's worth noting that all that tape that -- that's George Simmons virgin we don't have.
Print on Martin's version is disabled and can't tell us his version but here you thought this is -- by the price.
Education what do you know last week I was on the record -- and bags of -- and we're going to -- pitches fan.
-- what happened here today but prosecutors.
Plan this -- -- -- -- -- Defense.
They should be -- and the prosecutors in his case because they did -- prosecutors on bacon.
The defendant's case I can only see one after the -- unless there's more evidence you've even got a hung jury here are not guilty unless they can put more on Greta.
That I'm cute grin at that tape presented by the prosecution is damning to the prosecution and is there any way they could have escaped.
Showing that the jury capsule is horrible for the prosecution I totally agree this is very exciting.
And that the problem for the prosecution as you've got these hours of conversation with law enforcement that if you don't bring it in.
And then you fight to the defense when they try to bring it and the defense get -- get up and closing and talk about all of the hours of conversation of law enforcement had.
With the defendant there at the beginning when things were fresh when they were able to test him.
That -- summaries in the state didn't want you to hear I really don't think they had much of a choice.
And you don't get to pick your faction look at the picture witnesses you don't get to pick your eyewitnesses but I think it was very very damaging for the state in the in the -- that.
The defense is going to be able -- and closing and explain the discrepancies.
Because there weren't that many of them and they weren't that -- and as as the detectives Sereno said not that meaningful.
They're going to be able explain those discrepancies so much better than their client was so I did I don't column.
Tim has said former prosecutor.
You know maybe admit that we have served a different look at it here because you're sitting here in the -- we -- a defense trade background so.
Can you bail out the prosecution as we have this all wrong I mean -- -- something to prostitution I live.
I'd be happy to say you were all wrong Greta but unfortunately.
I think you're right as as a prosecutor all it it was -- murder case is my last couple years DA and and the biggest problem in murder cases unlike other crimes as.
Your best witness is dead.
So you get one to witness typically.
Who gives his side -- diversion and less that's tested by cross examination by really tough cross examination who knows if it's true or not.
The prosecution's only hope is and it's a prayer at this point is that something in his story.
Is still outside the evidence so contradicted by his eleventh general that it does that similarly when that way I think is a huge huge mistake it decreases the chance that -- -- -- stand.
And why don't as the roster be it hit the stairs and I -- -- historian for the jury maybe I get a conviction that.
Courteous and ancient because the defense -- -- to prove anything doesn't bear any burden of proof of the criminal case but here you have.
The prosecution putting a defendant essentially -- the witness stand and never been out cross examine -- this is totally into the fence first of the offense.
Yeah I mean Jim the one night that actually gonna cross the line of where the black hat and a prosecutor you're nowhere -- don't give Laidlaw had dinner together tonight and talked out.
I'm sitting here at the ready yet -- studio freezing to death in this is all -- -- that I grit and I agree with you this makes sense.
Zimmerman -- right Zimmerman not only doesn't have to take the stand when the government -- they can stand up and say.
You're -- right that in there and don't even let's let you know -- -- a police report.
The problem is -- Zimmerman statement the best witnesses gazans dead and -- young African American boy you know the races were different I don't even think we would be here.
But don't even get me started where I come from this is called the fight you don't take somebody -- me and know that they got a gun and shoot him.
I'd be you know from forget this is just way all our -- -- -- this story is just nothing but hot -- I want -- -- and a letter that Hillary got another.
-- I had.
They are given out of the -- unemployment but -- trailer working with scandals and a soda.
Is now if that's about -- -- you're gonna die tonight a seventeen year old boy walking home becomes -- me it maniacal killer it's hogwash with a total lie.
The problem is -- can't cross examine them.
Panel -- camera look at another like that clip up but -- -- say for a police officer who interviewed Zimmerman.
Yes because Catholic and I said -- -- and asked them why you'd asked me that he said because he had noticed across.
This is no I'm he's.
That's a non Christian classes so we know -- realize -- matter indecent because in his religion.
In the Catholic religion that it's no matter -- -- -- and money.
And I said well as far as what you said to me if -- thing is true.
Then I don't think that's what got mounting -- weekends you know save your own life.
And -- the Florida look at what point is the aggression active aggression is it.
Halloween trim -- -- of course it when they -- in a brawl and at what point what it where's the aggressive act at that point in terms of the law.
Well look the law isn't gonna didn't give -- that fine a point but certainly you can't caused the problem here complaining -- that you're defending against.
So if for example George Zimmerman.
-- is on trade on -- -- -- on Martin has your role this guy over in his pummeling him in order to try to save his own life.
Then George Zimmerman would not be.
Justified in taking out a gun and shooting him the problem is that this state I think it's trying to get Jordan Zimmermann.
Hands on the trip on -- first and is having a very difficult time doing it they just can't seem to quite get the evidence there.
So a trip on -- was the first physical aggressor.
I think George Zimmerman self defense plan is is is -- action and we're seeing it played out is gonna win.
-- I have one question I would like -- saw.
Several months and they've never gonna happen developer who's gonna -- examined the question disciplines governments say as he goals past.
-- trade -- was supposed to have been.
He didn't play and he says he's looking for an address long.
He's been and that neighbor award for three years.
Here is enabled Mort watch person and I would love actually and this is a moment have been in the neighborhood of three years your neighborhood watch birds and you won't -- a jury to believe you.
Don't know I actually meet at a I have to but let's say we did wind around -- -- -- all those houses look exactly alike it is a roundabout full of -- is is a pretty confused and I haven't lived -- but three years but in the places is very confusing so I don't know.
Thirty out if you -- if -- the prosecutor prosecutor around.
What do you do what do you do what -- what's your strategy.
Well in this case I mean I read the notes today it's into the prosecutor's team.
Disturbed by the fact that disturbed by two officers one who offered the opinion that -- I was telling truth.
It's interesting in 27 years of represented people -- homicide cases I've never had the homicide officer and the arresting officer committed helped my client.
But that's a whole other segment.
It security if you're that government you.
But that's what makes it -- it makes it section.
As a basis it's a tough case for the state I mean I -- -- -- there -- see a lot of fours and people helping the defense and is that right I.
Hired somebody today commenting that there are gonna -- they shot telling me you don't want to go there she cannot be resuscitated whether she was -- or tell the truth is a whole another issue but.
Get -- government you need to rally in I don't know whether the forensics the ballistics.
Where there have friends that -- pathologists will help them on the homestretch here I hope so.
Give fronts in my thirtieth and we got to go out I didn't ballistics are very important is I think that direction of that that bullet into his chest with a corroborate or did our defeat what George government says happened.
I think the medical examiners importantly -- thought.
If I I agree with the end of the day let's not lose sight of the fact the seventeen year old boy not a man walking home with Skittles is confronted by an adult man who's out to get.
These guys because they always get away in his -- got in the process you don't get to -- a fight with somebody did was -- -- of a compelling reason that your life was in danger of great bodily injury.
Losing a fight is not enough to commit murder otherwise every bar in America would end of the murders every night OK if you that you don't.
And so did -- the prosecutor was I don't have a -- give it some racist on on and -- Jihad go kill black guy that night.
This is a manslaughter case it's at least he -- -- settle on that and try to conviction that's my mind.
Don't think -- not much what does this trial was going on.