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We continue to follow what's happening inside the Sanford Florida courtroom in the second degree murder trial of George Zimmerman who claims self defense the medical examiner.
Has been on the witness stand for much of the day today getting a little bit technical out in the weeds it gives us an opportunity.
To bring into the conversation two very fine defense attorneys general civil war and -- solvent.
I thank you both for being with us and it.
John there was a hearing outside the presence of the jury in which the defense try to convince the judge to allow.
Evidence in front of the jury that there were high -- sea levels.
Usage in the blood of trade on -- before their trial the offense and argued it may have affected his behavior that night.
Judge is not allowing it what do you think of that ruling.
Once again she's coming down on the wrong side of the argument Greg which she seems to be pretty consistently doing due out this trial and -- -- hearing if your revenue was called advocates and hearing in apparently the purpose of that import is to determine whether the prosecution essentially with held evidence from the defense.
From the argument that I heard I listen to the whole thing I would have ruled it exactly the opposite of what this judge -- and outside the president presence of the jury this medical examiner had said large -- -- TAC one have affected.
-- bond market so why isn't that coming in an absolutely.
We shut -- -- what do you think of this I mean it does.
If somebody is intoxicated on some level -- green -- fight and somebody dies it doesn't that strike you is relevant.
Well Greg it's of small minimal Trace elements.
That's why it has no relevance in this case there's no indication of an impact on trade one's actions but I actually disagree with John and I agree with the judge here and that's not to say that John is necessarily wrong.
That's not diplomatic thoughts emblematic of what's going on with the story.
One may be thinking one way -- the other one thinking -- -- when you never know what's going on -- -- -- -- and in essence she made a prior ruling any issue in today's hearing was.
Did the prosecution finally.
The Brady rule which is to provide over discovery anything that -- exonerate the defendant.
And the prosecutor stood up and said -- -- look at my notes prepared for this examination today.
I have -- down that -- expected to answer is one to three minutes we did nothing wrong he's changed his testimony he can cross examine him on that stick your original ruling.
And that's exactly what she didn't.
And if so do we should chastise the defense attorney and he's doing an excellent excellent job by the way just issued a flash.
You know John on the heat the defense attorney John West on cross examination has tried to suggest of these jurors.
That this is a medical examiner who is -- -- bit sloppy.
On he's not the guy who did the fingernail scrapings and of course we've already heard testimony.
That the DNA of Zimmerman the accused is not.
Under the fingernails of trade on -- mom bought -- this is a medical examiner didn't cut the fingernails.
Exactly there was a question as to whether all the fingernails were examined or just one I -- What this medical examiner is accomplishing right now Greg if he's confusing that's -- -- this jury and I don't think he's necessarily doing it intentionally.
But if you can just -- when you testifying on on direct.
He was looking at the jury he was giving opinions that really have nothing to do with the cause and manner of death whether take on markets suffered.
Mean I something that I think it's speculative we don't know if he were unconscious at the moment that bullet hit his -- -- But they allowed him to go there and now hearing is when he's getting cross examine -- I'd have we got a straight answer I don't -- out.
Each way what do you make of this new DNA especially.
Now I'm gonna flip flop -- and hire an agreement now on the same page book Greg this is how you throw on track you your fingernails get rolled up and -- up.
The fact it's -- means DNA is not under the nails of treatment -- it is inconsiderate it's it's irrelevant and has no bearing on whether or not this was self defense.
I think this witness got on the stand as an expert.
He became an advocate for the district attorney's office and he was trying to prove second degree murder and you know what the defense did an excellent job because it's rated him -- very slowly methodically.
Is as is as hopeful now as dust in the wind.
Sometimes witnesses are on the stand for days and in the end after the decision by the jury managers say that are -- -- didn't really mean anything to me all the days of testimony all right -- Sullivan -- -- -- thanks for your insights we continue to follow what's happening inside the courtroom.
We will be right back.
Solo real quick recap from our legal gas before we go John it's bill -- and also keep -- Johnny you first we also heard the mother testified today and the brother.
What impression do you think the jury was left with from their testimony.
They're both class act up on the stand how ever I think Mark O'Meara is rather genius and that he put forth -- -- of the jury in his questions what he wanted the jury to come away with he was not going to get this mother to change your mind come offers and she's a mom.
We all get that but he was brilliant in his cross examination of -- and respectful and I think the brother the brother did a fine job -- in the message that I took away from that was.
They were two different people.
-- Martin might not have Ben it did the -- -- older he was in college tape on Martin wasn't there yet and I think that was the only message that the defense wanted to get across and they did.
Yeah you know -- the mother was forced to admit on cross examination that she heard that 911 tape -- identified her son crying out for help.
For the very first time when she -- in them mayor's office.
Does that demonstrate to the jurors perhaps some some bias here -- -- political agenda political pressure.
Well I hope they have the same reaction that I had the mayor's office.
Why -- why not the district attorney's office why not the police station is this -- politically motivated prosecution.
That's never something that the prosecution wants injected into the trial and once again.
If there witnesses they're testimony their evidence has favored the defense she was a very sympathetic witnessed as a Christmas on your heart breaks for these people.
And speed of the -- again on cross examination -- seem like a fine young man but.
And even though he'd identified himself -- -- -- Martin's brother the truth came out that he's actually the stepbrother and that they didn't live.
With each other all that much and in -- -- -- associate or or quote unquote -- together very much so for him to be able to identify.
They the screen as his step Brothers again questionable.
But the point of that -- testimony Greg I think is to say that this mother raise this other son to go to college and to give the jury hope.
That trade -- had he lived would have had that very promising future that was the subtext wasn't -- John -- yeah I agree wholeheartedly with that and.
The other just interesting thing that didn't come -- -- -- interview that his brother game with the news that somebody in the news media when -- that I really couldn't tell whether.
With him now while that didn't they actually asked me about that he had to admit that she officially -- -- a lot going on in this case we're gonna continue to follow it but.
Our time is up and got guys thanks so much for being with us to both of view he Sullivan John is still work through vast thanks very much we're.
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