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First there are those who suggest that Afghanistan is another Vietnam.
They argue that it cannot be stabilized.
We're better off cutting our losses and rapidly withdraw.
I believe this argument depends on a false reading of history.
And that was bad.
And this is now this is powered by act and I'm Chris our a lot of that was the address that President Obama gave -- -- his second.
Afghan war search.
30000 troops that he announced there in December of 2009.
The United States -- N military analyst at West Point New York.
And but now the president according to report across the board today.
With Afghanistan and now is considering the zero option in the zero option zero US troops.
Maybe that's good news certainly good news if you're sitting in Afghanistan.
Hoping that you do not get shot by somebody that true that you were trying to train.
That would certainly be good news.
But what are the politics of this have brought it home we will delve into that subject.
Quite so we will also talk about this.
We read today we're told today that the White House has -- all wrong or for many months that the implementation of the president's -- while will not work.
They -- it would not work so they are focusing on not letting the perfect or functionality get in the way the good.
And how do you get as many people signed up as possible once the -- open on October 1 for the free stuff.
We'll talk about that.
And we'll also talk two.
Somebody who if you were from Arkansas argument called blue dog but he's from Connecticut so I guess all and a blue terrier.
And -- -- is one of those Democrats who was talking about some need for some this school come up -- -- some fiscal rigidity.
In congress we'll talk about out that struggle is going for them.
We will do -- all with with a good dose of good humor and chair I know that that is true.
I know that that is because we will get started on the right.
Because David truckers here he kids.
The senior -- rather youthful you're youthful senior congressional in Washington is this seems sick quite so.
He's David record doesn't look a day over seventy senior congressional correspondent for the Washington examiner still eminently follow David Drucker wrote a -- -- -- Thank you.
Wasn't Drucker was it mr.
-- in the Beverly Hillbillies.
I don't look close to seventy that but really that's before -- -- the Beverly Hillbillies what I am from.
A town adjacent to Beverly Hills son and I -- -- lived it but you know ability you know that's my guess.
OK on -- beach -- Siemens pools.
Or -- on its -- it is a question.
And the question for use this president.
Is getting it is -- kicked in.
On foreign policy Egypt.
It's who it's not a it's went it's a cool let's -- the military has taken control and Egypt.
And ousted the guy that the president welcomed to the presidency Egypt.
Who then went from being yes just that the -- -- an autocratic the -- Which is not considered who will Syria is.
That is everywhere in Syria.
And as Dana attacks ones says it timely chat from -- -- X says the whole Middle East is now turning to a larger scale Vietnam that's.
That's strong but things are looking from Libya to Syria to Iran to Egypt and everything.
In the middle of this the president was also getting squeezed at home by his base over domestic wiretapping.
As well as his use of drugs kill people.
-- killer robots.
It is attractive to tell people in America that he is going to more thoroughly and quickly or is considering.
More -- and quickly ending an unpopular war.
Yeah well be -- -- Afghanistan.
Is it's become very sort of interest it's become a conundrum I think for for policy makers and and since the 1840s this right.
I would say our Afghan -- -- our Afghanistan and even.
I candidate in 2008 candidate Barack Obama standards wasn't good war yeah.
And even Americans who are quite war we -- in we can't really.
Blame ourselves for being war we're -- it's part of the American character you get all excited that -- war weary of the cycle for twelve years -- -- -- so.
Even though people are war theory there is still a case to be -- war finishing the job we started in Afghanistan and you can't exactly say.
That were wariness over the Afghanistan adventure is causing anybody a political problem because it isn't.
It is not Iraq it has never been Iraq and the only reason the president has to bring the -- to.
Any clothes that might either be premature or be a problem for US interests.
I think wholly personal and his desire to say he was able to end and bring to a conclusion to war.
But it is rather -- It is rather remarkable if you can have a strategy at two surgeons is twice -- -- ever surged as much as the Pentagon wanted to answer.
But he had to like three quarters urges.
In Afghanistan he had -- -- policy for Afghanistan elated out of that speech.
This is should be it would same.
Sort of an admission of defeat that the Obama strategy for Afghanistan this.
-- -- -- -- the from the president's policy for Afghanistan was never about victory it was always about trying to find a political middle ground.
That would prove him strong on national security and its support of getting Osama bin Laden.
Yes and by the same token nods to kind of crazy cowboy that progress is perceived George W.
Bush debate of course if you remember -- If you're crazy tablet is before us are afraid that -- -- -- with you're with your section threat but it and if you remember his entire.
Strategy was all about middle ground and he never mentioned the word victory -- winning and never really has when it comes to military conflicts and so.
But I think for the president it's a matter especially with Osama bin Laden dead.
In his primary.
Motivation for continuing the war you thank you can he pull up stakes.
And get the US out of.
Isn't anyone listening and yes you have to change your handle unless there isn't anyone listening wants to know -- makes -- suggestion.
We need to draw a line in the -- it's here -- 200000 people are killed we need to cut off support and -- -- -- -- -- -- say that we no longer believe there -- -- Syria.
Four words for the president foreign policy.
Has long been the bright spot because as -- said when he ran.
And for about this goes back to 03 Democrats -- queuing up to get behind the Iraq War John Kerry Hillary Clinton and others.
We're feeling it.
State senator Barack Obama gave a speech in Chicago that -- it's.
Became a touchstone for anti war Democrats this was the I'm not against always I'm against -- -- speech he gave it it was.
And it circulated went viral it was a big deal.
His ability to defeat Hillary Clinton depending on his opposition to the Iraq War.
And as -- -- and on the on the goodness the virtue.
I have a question for John Kerry and I have a question for.
Secretary of state track people who -- both of their careers there -- positions that -- John Kerry asked -- question how do you estimate we've the last one stake in Vietnam if we -- such a heinous crossroads in Vietnam -- what we're talking about is.
How Long Will we be having troops die in Afghanistan in order to achieve a more -- -- better faction of the Taliban.
Taking over in that country compare you know mullah -- cousin instead of Mullah Omar who.
How do you how can the president politically get away with this wouldn't should there be consequence for this from even from his base and from others that say why are you leaving troops in the line of fire for -- and it's such a marvelous model of the -- well.
In theory yes but -- Afghanistan is not.
Bloody kind of -- than Vietnam was in -- -- -- Vietnam showed up at variance.
TV screens every day with soldiers coming home.
That -- psychologically and physically.
In Afghanistan is not -- and nobody really understood the purpose of Vietnam in the beginning even though it was in theory to -- to thwart communism.
You -- -- we went there because they attacked us that.
Tal the Taliban -- the people and train the people that were out to get past and so Americans are never gonna feel that Afghanistan where they felt about Vietnam.
And the president also is not getting the kind of scrutiny.
In terms of his war policy or foreign policy.
That previous presidents have done and without that kind of scrutiny and without that kind of obvious.
Discussed from voters the way they felt about Iraq in the end.
He gives him latitude to do.
To do this with -- Afghanistan without political repercussions.
-- and finally it's a Chris when the economy is still.
Tough for many people no matter how much better it has gotten.
That just takes their focus.
And that's where -- there that.
There energy and inks that the government has been eaten up by obamacare maybe immigration.
-- in the IRS and on and on and on and there's nothing left over for a war.
That you know if you ask me -- feel upset about is not bombarding them emotionally.
With this sense of this is awful we got to stop it's -- -- was -- -- and stuff that's you.
We -- -- there's more excellence maybe excellence won't even -- -- -- that progress but it will it will be if you know the answer that.
I think it was mr.
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He was that he was -- M Drucker -- rain and the general store in green acres and that's back.
That China and then there was once a Mike Drucker who got murdered along order.
Congratulate you guys congratulations things are looking up yeah.
Okay Internet -- we're gonna take a quick break but when we come back -- with the implementation residents -- while I was gone now well does it matter maybe not.
We'll talk about that when we come back -- And those.
Both technically automobiles.
They're both cars one is a Smart are the others it decked out Lincoln -- -- he.
Two very different kinds of vehicles -- today.
And this is our -- and just because something is a car or a health insurance law.
Does not mean that it is as advertised in the same as it was going to be.
But doesn't matter Republicans are spending a lot of hot air these days talking about changes to the presence of law.
Meantime the White House is talking today and other days about.
That's not exactly what we said it was going to be but guess what it's got four wheels and it rolls and here it comes off the assembly -- -- get ready.
What about that what about the significance somebody who knows.
That the and Casey is really nice.
Because she hails from Detroit -- -- dangle she's the president of the two strategies.
She is a democratic and just went out.
Spouse -- the dean of the house John Dingell of Michigan -- -- Who is former Press Secretary for Roy Blunt he is yours or -- -- -- -- steal for acting like it's the old rusty steel -- But again he's he's an extra -- that -- Lush -- race car so we're -- we're not going to have any and -- is that when it comes to health care law which which debuts which has its -- the reversers -- National Journal today.
Former administration -- and -- said.
The pay for stuff that we were gonna do about the mandates we are he said we're not doing.
But the stuff about the services and what you're gonna get it going to be that great either but here comes.
That's not good.
We -- it.
In the of the law.
-- I don't know that you does services that they said that you were gonna get -- and I think that's pure speculation I think that there's some very basic services and preventative services that are very important I think they're clearly some problems in terms of implementation I think I'm very happy and Christian it is.
Going to the White House that -- yet and we all knew why is it under Clinton in Atlanta significant well Christian needs is someone -- -- and captured during the Clinton administration I think -- one of the smartest people Republicans in them so I think that this is a Smart person is gonna bring politics and policy together in terms of implementation.
Pragmatic Clinton Democrat kind -- here.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And as for the red team and the -- by the way the Internet I'm curious since -- just watching -- Democrat.
And it's for your from Alabama's if Alabama Republicans have beards that then that's when -- -- -- -- be independent and here.
The the question -- is Republicans are talking John Boehner and we talked Steve came from Iowa about this yesterday here.
John Boehner and Republicans would like to delay in the individual mandate to match the delay in the employer so the president the -- said the president was supposed to the administration's let's start.
Finding and punishing corporations that at more than fifty employees that did not offer what they were deemed adequate health insurance benefits.
At the start of next -- well we're gonna wait a year to do that the house says let's wait a year for the individual mandate to.
Steve King said I'm not really that keen on doing there is this whole lost things and I don't want to vote for affirming any part of it.
Just so that we can delay -- one provision.
I think we actually saw walking in here today that house energy commerce committee's gonna look into this why are they doing it's I think you'll see.
Republicans in the house really looking what does this mean why are -- doing it now.
There was such a rush to ram this through on Capitol Hill they had to hurry and get -- the bill and accidents -- -- considered life.
In it that the Chinese really interesting -- is -- to right past the next election this was such a good bill.
Everybody was gonna benefit from -- we doing well I don't.
Says what is the cost going to be for taxpayers -- the obamacare employer mandate -- -- but that's kind of not.
That doesn't count in Washington because what the president suggested all along he was running for president daddy was that mandates and stuff for a bad idea.
Tenants we -- that we have this form that health care bill right there were not immediately don't.
Costs are going to be I think Republicans have spent a great deal of time trying to how many votes and we have trying to make -- -- or not.
Come in to.
That I've beaten the facts here is we are implementing a lot it's far greater impact Kean former -- sense -- security and Medicaid.
Ever -- it is complex piece of legislation just finding that technology.
They each of the state continues is an overwhelming issue so we could be.
It's very pragmatic here and we have a very complicated -- being enacted in put into.
Instead of trying to come topic health care solutions just keep trying to black black black vote vote vote -- -- getting.
Well that's that is true when -- getting any placement -- -- whatever happens.
Once there are their -- Republicans complain complain complain it's not funded it doesn't work it stinks we hate it.
-- and it happened so we don't know.
Had my bet is that this is not a fresh these are not fresh start once the the train wreck part of it and -- that their ears close it this this is not new material.
What is -- is that about eighty days are gonna start signing people up for the benefits.
Once you have beneficiaries you have -- permanent benefit right this is going to be -- this is this is -- forever thing.
-- if you're Republican and you think this stinks from day one you know right when -- -- was ramming through.
Don't want to be on record several times and we don't want -- -- me why we're gonna implement something that's not going to be good for most American people.
So I think what's interesting now is actual time it smells political it's out of this White House -- Fastest pace and leaving aside the fact that president never wanted to mandates that he's not going to care to -- he's not gonna get it Schwarzenegger not.
Over imposing a mandate he didn't want in the first place.
And how much it costs and all that stuff laying aside.
Once the individuals -- -- what you see.
And -- I've talked about this before.
Was the first beneficiary to Medicare and you know when he did it the same moment that Lyndon Johnson signed.
Slide that over and he turned and here's area experiment he became the first and fissures within and with in four years 10% of all Americans were enrolled in Medicare there are zero Americans enrolled -- obamacare right now but that's gonna change -- There -- first.
What -- what are we having this bigger debate about the plane I mean if if we should actually look into the -- -- If this is so good Byron pushed back we're moving the goalposts a look at all the players are having that debate -- right Democrats or not.
What did the recent that this was group -- -- missed the complexity but the technology is not even a well.
Quite frankly and a lot of businesses asked the president to postpone -- -- so it was very specific responding to you've got its ability built.
Intuit the fact of the matter is that people keep -- to.
As opposed -- bill opposed the bill opposed the bill it's not happen it's categorically Republicans keep wanting to be.
And what we need to do is continue to work together to find every American can't access to health care in quality.
Affordable health care in this country.
And they happened promised and this is gonna happen -- preventative care that we need to make sure every -- -- -- -- Well it's gonna take awhile and it is going to be is knew where this is going to be more expensive.
And more whatever else is there something in this is an allegation that business users you're responsible for the press.
In pushing the unpleasant parts of this -- things that are not related to free stuff.
In the paint were dead -- -- yeah it is -- that -- -- that his successor.
Is going to have a lot more to deal with as opposed to what was crafted by congress.
Which was a law that was.
Republicans -- But was even handed and among Democratic Caucus that was Clinton Democrats and Liberal Democrats came together and did -- deal.
Is it you're responsible for the president to declined to eat his.
He's I don't think he is because he's always done he's.
The small business and you're not and that's the technology's not ready for this we need to have flex building built into the law he's still Clinton president when it just go.
Into affect when -- later he's gonna eat pizza maybe you think what do you think -- Absolutely I think and it would be great -- to have this debate do when the -- going through yeah this debate and debated and debated and debated and talked and talked to talk to Republicans get a opposing everything and anything.
It was it it's just.
Seems like just yesterday -- spent a year doing but.
This segment its own -- and we thank you and you what's the political ads and you -- the problem one more -- you think you can tell that it's pretty -- Never veered even for an Alabama industry are right guys we -- agreement with us that they were gonna take a quick break but when we come back we'll have -- Congressman democratic congressman here we'll talk about immigration will talk about.
Eighty days until fiscal catastrophe.
We'll talk about all of the good stuff that is queuing up for you -- congress including the W rate grow.
When we come back -- stick around.
I've made it clear and I made it clear yet.
The house does not intend to take up the senate bill.
The house is gonna do its own job on development in immigration bill.
And that was a short way of saying that it's going to take a long time for the house to work through itself.
On immigration despite being gang of eight bill that came hurtling out of the senate before the fourth of July recess.
And this is power play and welcome back so what about that what -- -- portend for other things that was that house speaker John Boehner at a press conference and yesterday.
What about that somebody who knows because it makes it good business to do so is -- -- -- is a Democrat he is from.
-- Nutmeg state of Connecticut and he is the vice chair.
Of the new Democrat coalition and -- and -- for those of you keeping score on those in the moderate Democrats the Clinton kind.
Pro growth kind that we least I thought we used to call you blue dogs congressman.
Night of the blue dogs are sort of more of the southern group.
Than being maybe a little more on the social conservative side than now than we -- Democrats but you know cousins.
Earlier I see you know the blue dog you're -- series.
I don't know that's a good thing or not.
It's not a -- if you're true if you're from Connecticut I think that I think that's where it's at.
Congressman I want to ask you the speaker basically says.
Thanks for your bills -- we're gonna let our own committee's work through the Republicans are gathering in the department immigration right now.
Why shouldn't this question in the house do its own thing on immigration.
Well it probably should do its own thing then and look to step back away from this the reason you got 68 bipartisan votes in the senate -- because there's a powerful moral reason to get this done to get eleven million people out of the shadows.
There's all kinds of reasons by the way chief amongst them is to create jobs you know to really get our economy going to help us with our budget deficit -- the CBO says this bill will do.
However that's not gonna happen in the house because for one simple reason.
What you heard John Boehner saying was it was not exactly what he meant what he meant was look I've got a group of fairly.
Aggressive conservatives here in the house who under no circumstance.
Will tolerate an earned path to citizenship that is that you know twelve year long path of the senate is set up for the people who are here.
On an undocumented basis and there's just he's got guys who simply will not accept that.
And so he's got you know he's got a real problem on its hands on the one hand.
Into the 70% of Latinos who voted for Barack Obama they desperately want that earned path to citizenship.
And -- John Boehner is caught between you know the electoral future of the Republican Party and his.
Hardcore radical conservatives who.
Who just won't tolerate what that 70% of the folks -- voted for Obama want.
Okay now -- and moving on to the student loan package.
This is -- most remarkable moment in Washington.
Everybody seems to agree there's broad agreement that federal government should subsidize or or lower student loan interest rates -- that student loan rates do not.
Go back up from where they once were don't double -- -- everybody seems to agree on that but no one can seem to pass -- -- what the heck is going out.
Well enforces is emblematic of an awful lot of what happens in the House of Representatives right so you had 90% of the American public agree with the concept of universal background check for weaponry.
Right but no that couldn't get done you've got most Americans -- in most members of congress agreeing that we shouldn't be in a sequester but no that can't get done.
And so here you are same story same movie on student loan rates and a play at this one.
Really makes me crazy because.
You know this government spends money on all kinds of things 600 billion dollars a year on the Pentagon billions and billions of dollars a year on.
Farm subsidies in this thing and I would suggest to you that there is no better return on investment for a dollar that Washington DC spends.
And making it more making education more available for our people -- we educate our kids and all of a sudden they're starting businesses they are innovating their filing patents.
They are hoping our economy thrive and here we're having this little penny ante discussion.
About how to pay for something that we know has a better return than just about anything we do down here it's it's there.
So -- you but you voted against the Republican version of this what was your beef with that.
While the Republican version of this -- -- -- floating rate meaning it you know you when you're eighteen years old you know take out student loans and they can be -- I mean people running around out there with a 100000 dollars -- student loans.
And you don't know what you're radon that it's gonna be 56 years from now it could be 8% of could be 3% -- could be 12%.
That's just not the kind of security that we want to give our students.
Who may not know we know what kind of job they're gonna go into whether they'll be able to sustain that -- -- interest rates so what we should do as we should do what we do in the mortgage industry which is say if you -- -- think straight.
You can get you get you know give people that certainty.
-- Where were about eighty days away from the end of the federal fiscal year.
We've got the debt ceiling about to head.
We've got -- the continuing resolution funding the government in the absence of -- budget.
About to expire.
There the pressure is getting steady and steady -- on congress to figure this stuff out speaking realistically.
What is your forecast you do you see a government shut them out there are we say is this thing headed off the rails that we can't do something as basic as that things you described.
What are the chances to get a full year federal fiscal plan plus yeah.
I would I would handicap the likelihood of -- federal shutdown is being really quite low.
No that's that's a pretty toxic thing to have happen with -- unpredictable circumstances.
Remember we've got the debt ceiling coming up to which raises the prospect of the possibility of a United States government default something we've never seen before.
Now remember August the 2011 the Republicans brought us that.
You know right to the brink of default we got the S&P downgrade.
They would not want to do that again that was a political mistake on their part.
You remember -- to Newt Gingrich shutting down the government when Clinton was president again I think people don't want to relive that experience.
Here's the positive case I'm not gonna you know I'm not not bet the farm on the positive case but you know we need to do some important things here we need to rethink the sequester.
We need to raise the debt ceiling.
We need to finish off the process of long term sustainability in our Medicare and Social Security programs in what people call entitlement reform.
There is no other catalyst out there to cause that discussion be had here in the capital other then.
The prospect of either a government shutdown or of a default so -- scary -- that stuff is I think it's the one thing.
That's gonna get us to come together and deal with all of these problems on the budget side -- really -- dealing with.
If you knew rich from New England state -- for the Yankees instead of the red stocks you'd know already he's Jim I'm -- Connecticut congressman we thank you for your time.
Thank you aircraft.
Okay Internet we have to go there's more Zimmerman coming up next but now as we like to do every -- we want to leave you with the work.
From a friend tells.
Well we're gonna end up with -- use of -- that's going to be implemented.
Continue to hope people around -- changes in the subsidies was on the fraud and abuse and once people are getting that we have to -- -- -- hugely.
As a way to cover it as he's just done in Canada and great.