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It accord just ended a few minutes ago actually was so fast and because George -- is -- 10 PM curfew in his own trial lasts up until about 10 PM so we actually had to get a waiver from the judge to stay for zone -- But it has been a wild day in the courtroom.
And here's one question though that's sure to grip the jury.
-- -- forensic evidence support George sermons account and all those videos of the shooting a train on Martin.
Today the defense -- high profile forensic -- not just to answer that specific question.
If you leave you know for somebody.
You'll notice that call it tends to fall away from the chest.
If you -- your line on your back.
And saw a lot of issues that Foley's going at the -- Your chest.
-- But the fact that we know the polling was who have more inches away is consistent with somebody leaning over.
The person doing the shooting the wound itself.
By the gap.
-- the power tattooing.
In the face of contact of the calling.
Indicated is this indicate.
But this is consistent with -- of sermons.
Sat on this tomorrow what's always.
Meaningful -- the time.
Leaders say that.
It physically big and -- Like this.
I'm saying the bat the physical evidence is consistent -- it.
Missed her alarm people -- -- Is it not also consistent with mr.
-- Pulling away.
-- on the ground.
He would have the same angle is pulling away and it consideration.
Of course the what is who was also cross examined by the states was not all rosy for the defense they would this witness forensic path just doctor Michael Baden joins us nice to see you -- good to see you read it.
Syria what's so curious about this testimony is it wasn't his opinion.
But rather he said that it was consistent with the evidence was consistent.
With what -- at what was said -- Georgian men in the videos but he also said it was consistent would train behind -- Back in -- way you thought on the study group.
If that's very interesting -- many New York courts would not let us testify about consistent with.
Because consistent with could be 1% consistent -- 99% consistent.
It's like saying possibly.
We can't give as experts possibly evidence we have -- say beyond a -- Usually our mantra is beyond a reasonable medical certainty which is more than 51%.
That is we believe that it happened this way more than -- to a present so in this -- when -- may have talked to back consistent with.
And the trade -- -- over him it could also be consistent with.
Is Zimmerman pulling up -- bond that this he's on the ground and his back pulling up on his shirt and shooting.
We can't tell usually.
What the positions of two people are with the relative positions we can tell but not.
Whether one is standing one is lying on the back that comes more from all the other evidence that was presented and I think the -- different.
Statements of people so was going on and the quickness in which this all happened.
It's most likely that -- -- was on the ground.
-- you know what it was that true Zimmerman was on the ground and Trey -- was then later found on the ground after it was shot.
I was the fact that I was -- of almost a tie that it was consistent yet to experts test -- Consistent with the George Simmons.
Versions in all the tapes and that is also consistent with the State's version the tree about -- was back in a way when it's a tie.
It's actually I at least die admits it benefits the defendant since remember the prosecution to prove beyond a reason a dozen -- so it's actually well it may appeared to not be that beneficial defense.
Any time the defense can put -- that tie into it.
The defense went.
He you'll correct depending -- -- the jurors think.
You're mistaken that can think anyway they would they wished you also that this -- about the broken nose.
That dominated the mail was super on the gunshot material.
But the broken nose a little they can build dispute about because.
The -- A nose was not broken when.
Or no evidence of -- when he went.
Later on he would be empty thought it might be broken.
What it was examined by one person there was no evidence of it no X ray was taken nobody.
-- and that Zimmerman should go see a doctor or have X rays to examine him for his head injury and the broken nose.
Pushed me to head injury let's listen to the tape earlier in -- earlier today the testimony by this expert.
There's an injury here.
Here which are probably represent the -- Since it looks like plotted -- but if you look right in between this kind of tally.
And the reason is is that this impact site.
And then this is swollen.
So this is not -- so you know that there are two separate impacts what impact there when -- -- here producing two separate lacerations.
But an area in between.
That's not -- And this -- -- stupid -- you know just felt.
We this -- it's.
Our attitude lacerations with the valley in between on the back of -- -- -- Consistent.
With at least two separate impacts.
On -- surface like concrete.
What do you think of that test went up about I think that it's too impacts.
I would agree most probably to -- tracks but didn't minor impacts.
Zimmerman showed no evidence of any kind of brain injury remember they spoke a little bit about the GC yes that who -- -- Glasgow coma scale.
With the EMTs.
Said it was a 1515.
-- perfectly normal no evidence of any kind of brain injury or brain disease.
All that was needed to treat those minor superficial.
Injuries -- -- days he wasn't sent to.
So I think that.
The injuries that knows and -- -- -- -- would trivial injuries and that what we used to call a fist fight to get a fist fight you get some of these injuries.
It has any severe results about those -- -- injuries.
Dodd and -- thank you sir thank you.
Now factor -- -- -- and then I won -- thirty USR Florida lawyer.
If we accept the end I'd -- weeks except the description -- doctor Bob says sensitive fist fight.
Minor impact no brain injury broken nose fist fight.
Did you do nor have severe injuries under Florida law can you still take -- -- -- you still have a defense so a legitimate self defense news deadly force and under what conditions.
The jury instruction will have nothing about injury whatsoever it says a reasonable belief of imminent.
Death or serious bodily harm given the circumstances.
I disagree with doctor Baden.
I think getting hit twice in the back of the head on concrete -- -- the splits again.
And having your nose -- I believe the medical personnel testified that the very next day they believe it was broken.
Any which way I think doctor miles well spoke to the perception of the person being beaten.
It's going to be stunning it's going to be painful it's gonna be frightening.
It's pitch dark.
You do not know where -- the next blow is going to take you.
I definitely don't think that -- What are quote minor nose of the injuries is going to have any effect on whether the jury can't I cannot find that under those situation he at a reasonable -- An end to end dead -- -- -- -- the usually it's it's not really how bad the injuries are are not.
It's really wasn't a person's head who's taking weather has every right there if he has said he didn't know injuries -- absolutely and about a week doctor -- who.
Who is a jag officer terror -- who was a professor of -- moment testified.
That jury need not cavity -- as long as your subjective behind.
Is our did you have a reasonable -- all the Democrat Robert and all you can use that force attorney.
You brought it on himself I mean this is in a close -- -- no respect.
Doctor Baden did -- out no autopsy no disrespect a -- Not always like very opposite ever thought if that means the opposite.
-- meant to say no respect towards that pitchers -- -- close -- bottom line -- world renowned I mean sister Veronica call them disagreements when I can get through but.
-- -- if I could shoot somebody every time I got bloody know that begins seventeen life terms.
It this is it said don't have them take bang bang punch and those that did he shoot somebody.
I don't think that's reasonable but I know under those circumstances.
Somebody you -- racist might -- three does that.
And we don't know yeah.
Well about yeah Taliban -- -- bureau he's also they have to -- their dad Jim you've got to the zags cleanest went up.
-- -- -- -- That was I think this is the heart the heart of the case and that's in the last segment comes down to how we want to phrase it to the jury believe -- can they do they think he was truly afraid but there's two parts.
-- you said as he honestly.
It's reasonable suing an ordinary person in those circumstances not that they were just gonna lose a fight.
But that they were about to die or suffer serious body injury.
I think these injuries to key if I were arguing Greta and I know we all disagree about this but if I were argued I'd say this is a -- -- -- the -- -- that's what a reasonable person would think.
And you don't get to kill somebody for -- the fist fight it.
You know here's yeah I think Chris I -- whenever -- -- let me just say this about that opens this I think it's so important for the judge to -- to revisit the issue of bringing the jury back late at night.
Ten why I want there after -- -- you want -- -- -- their after that you can't really biggest sense about whether or not.
You know whether or not it's reasonable you know it whether it's so dark that you might -- contribute.
Unreasonable fear Greta I couldn't written by groups of more bad jury needs to be out there because if our -- -- they have -- -- -- mad dog was scary for me so I I would think that you would definitely.
Wanna have that you're out -- get a field of what was taking place from both of these people.
-- -- -- as well as gentlemen.
Panel thanking of course the news is that they went late tonight dentist until 10 o'clock tonight so to me it was a long day today so -- more tomorrow thank you --