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As a new reaction -- reports that frustrations with a major US ally.
Are pushing President Obama closer to taking American forces out of Afghanistan.
Then was plant.
And to -- a so called zero option.
A move that would not keep any American troops in Afghanistan past when he fourteenth the White House says it has yet to make a decision on troop levels beyond that time frame.
But it is not denying that a major draw down could.
Becoming very soon.
Joined now by general Jack -- retired four star general.
And former vice chief of staff of the army and a Fox News military analyst and also attorney.
But Goldstein is the director of the -- there project welcome to -- to be good to have you here today.
-- -- Jack let me start with you on this obviously a very complicated relationship.
With Karzai and the most recent sort of rough discussion came when we.
Put out there aren't possible negotiations with the Taliban and Karzai felt like he had been left out -- sort of puffed his way out of the room.
That has left us in a typical position.
You know Karzai's a mercurial leader for sure who.
Probably doesn't have the emotional intelligence and temperament to deal with a fledgling democracy which Afghanistan truly is.
And has a raging insurgency.
Going on fighting for its very survival.
And this relationship has been bombastic.
Every single year you know since since we've been there.
I saw -- side with Karzai here because I sense don't agree with his frustration.
Discussions with the towel Mon think in that we can negotiate some some kind of an agreement with them in the -- way we opened up.
The office -- they opened up the office and Connor.
Which look more like a government in exile I mean this week we know how mercurial Karzai is and this so we just drove him to the brink.
And much of the tension now comes from that.
Data cards yeah.
And broke you know and yes it inning at a dance with the one who Brung you and in some of this circumstance and we need the best possible outcome.
For the lives that have already been lost so much treasure more than 2000.
Lost and all of those wounded in the fight there.
And it's gonna leave some people asking if we if we decide to pull out and let -- all go to a certain to a great extent.
What it was.
More exactly and I think it's quite troubling that.
We're basically sending the message that our military strategy.
Is now being dictated because Karzai and a bomb are having a very public spat.
And instead focusing on the numbers game I think what would be.
More intelligent of this administration to do is to focus on the strategic partnership agreement that we have with Karzai.
It's about how many troops we have on the ground.
It's about the efficacy of those troops.
How well they are advising the Afghan security forces -- what's going to happen if we indeed leave a vacuum and -- how we learned.
Nothing from when -- abandoned the Afghani people in the late eighties and nineties we create a situation where the tab and came to power aware of some of them and in.
Had basically free rein to.
Did -- -- to plan 9/11.
You know we know.
Both of you obviously know that we've we've had that these people have a lot of patience you know you look at the Haqqani Network over the border.
When they hear this kind of talk they probably say.
Great we knew this would happen eventually Jack.
Oh yeah absolutely.
So when one of their strategies to tell among others is is to wait this late this thing out that over the facts are though we turn the situation around on the east.
We have not available due if -- we -- that are on the south we've not been able to do that.
As well in the east so we are gonna prevent the Afghan present the Afghan security forces -- a bit of a challenge when we do -- So I will disapprove -- a little bit here numbers do matter because state.
They give us the wherewithal to accomplish a number of missions silicon -- terrorism mission is is very important provide -- enablers.
Three Afghan security forces is also important and certainly given them some advice.
On on the -- situation all those things are Paramount if we.
Are going to validate and continue to succeed in this mission and not put it at great risk which removing all of our forces -- would do.
Well Jack I was -- -- -- -- -- -- general what would do what would you advise the president if he would ask you.
About how many troops we need there and for how long and what kind of -- you would set right now.
Well I think you need to troops there probably for about a five year period.
As we transition to Afghan security forces and also to continue to -- -- terrorism mission.
That at a minimum those numbers -- around 40000 the administration it is not -- entertain that I believe.
The generals recommend that a little less than that and I would suspect given the fact that this administration has never accepted.
I force level recommendation from its generals.
That they will put him play some forces they'll be a minimum forces help them.
Probably on the 101000 which will be fall less what the generals believe is necessary.
Thanks to you both.
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