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And this is power play and and Chris -- -- -- there is conclave.
Secrets confident of another kind taking place here in Washington today.
As house speaker John Boehner and his team huddle up with the Republican members of the house to talk about what to do and what to say what not to say.
-- back out immigration as the house tries to.
-- that everlasting gob stopper.
We'll talk about that today certainly we well but.
That only matters because of contours and political arguments and other -- But what about the substance.
What about the substance but this question what will Obama care.
That's what we call that -- all the kids now what will obamacare look like in December.
And why should corporations.
-- an exemption that individuals.
Do not we will talk about that.
Joseph Trippi will be here too by the way you like that you mr.
-- And we'll talk but the nuclear option in the senate and whether or not organized labor can be placated on the National Labor Relations Board.
In time to avoid a massive derailment.
Of nuclear waste.
We'll do all that.
We will do it with insight.
We will do it with even handedness and fair mindedness.
I know that that is true because we're going to make it solid down payment on all of those things and Meredith shiner.
Who covers congress for roll call welcome -- -- You -- two -- also see what you did there with the Pope and accomplished in the summer as it why are we talking about the I'm confident as -- Based.
Switch -- -- -- -- power play producer Lucas Tomlinson knows -- the twisted ins and outs of my mind.
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Self they're talking in secret Republicans are talking in secret -- about what to do on immigration.
I would call them -- -- -- it right now and I'm in between right now look.
Thank you the multitasking undoing his own music I didn't -- and web -- I'm on the Internet and on the Internet while I'm on the Internet.
That's really I believe I just get it but basically what I said it's this.
In talk in in talking to Republican members of congress and senior aides -- -- and giving -- this whatever the Republicans do about immigration.
A lot rides and what they say so there's going to be a lot of messaging.
Discussion today for -- problem.
As -- they're gonna they've made very clear Bob good -- that's -- Judiciary Chairman descended on this show and many other places.
They're going to take their sweet time.
They're not gonna rush into the senate bill -- gonna work up there -- legislation this is a months long process.
Which -- now you might mean doom of the chance comprehensive.
In this congress -- could -- election next year.
But for the Republicans they just don't want to be called racist they don't want to be called obstructionist.
So they need to shut opera.
-- I think that that's.
Your point is where are taken and -- how they approach this is going to be extraordinarily important although I would argue at the end the -- If they can get something done -- the most important thing.
But for now particularly because this conversation -- gonna happen as you said probably for months -- the way that they approach it how they construct their argument is extraordinarily important.
And I think the other thing that people sort of forget that and I mere mention I think the story was that story will not comment.
But little plug and if you're gonna -- this would have been.
We've had a lot of conversation about how immigration reform and how -- -- Hispanic vote is very important nationally for both parties but especially for Republicans and house.
In 2012 there was this acknowledgment particularly at the presidential -- that this was this is a feeling.
The national party but when you house of -- representatives and when you look at how all of these states in these districts have been gerrymandered.
You've a lot of conservatives were deeply entrenched in their districts who don't really have a personal -- but we have to get on.
Or you can zoom -- at least we can assuming stipulate for the sake of for the sake of the record that.
Your that there are the Republicans have much less motivation.
House Republicans have much less motivation.
And we've used the example in Ohio Jim Jordan who represented district of Ohio that is about 3% 2% Hispanic.
Is it a different position and Rob Portman senator from Ohio -- who represents a state that is it 12% Hispanic there's -- the the content as you said.
And Rob Portman is a super -- is that you just has because he actually voted against us and they're well -- has been a person who came out as the first time that he marriage and he also but he also and we don't wanna go and -- -- India ever until like a weird Rob Portman -- but the top -- -- -- -- -- as he has a specific thing on.
But the individual he has won the business community very much wants in terms of implementation of either fight he didn't get what he wanted thought we double crosses back there.
Yeah they were not going to think well we're gonna.
I don't know that -- brother that we can -- about it later.
I think at this at this meeting is important I think the last time we had this being important Republican caucus meaning.
What is before Christmas and this -- -- recently Edmonds walked out.
Think eight -- tried and they think one million dollar.
Is about income over a million dollars and one excuse me and that -- often well.
And so it's unclear what he's it's unclear when when you -- to -- -- the Pope is gonna be chosen no matter what.
I don't seen it yet in this metaphor but what -- saying here I don't.
Here's here's what China and -- know what the Republicans told you vote here's what -- I know that.
Everybody seems pretty happy with the Boehner plan which is -- he says let the house work its will to let the committee process bring -- that he basically says.
I'm not taking -- the senate bill no matter what we're going to bring our own legislation forward on immigration.
That's there's a pretty broad confidence in Bob good lap among the house conference.
So he's gonna they're gonna do this they're they're they're -- they're we know they're gonna bring that forward -- what I'm getting is that.
The leadership is most concerned.
About how the discussion goes forward in the senate for example.
Get a pretty good this that the discussion wasn't disastrous for Republicans.
Rubio vs -- to charismatic Hispanic Republicans.
Back and forth on the issue nobody said you know Don Young -- said what Don young and other Republicans that if nobody use any epithets.
And it was okay.
I -- that this is the standard now they're Republican Party is that let's not use enough but that the people -- in the 1950s and maybe will be able to witness issue I think here's the problem with that that particular -- and I registered Republicans to say you know we're just gonna let the house do its own ballot and hopefully it conference.
I think that there is it paranoia and fear.
That at the house Republicans passed anything.
Right it if it goes to conference it to come back in a way that they don't want.
You have Democrats and Republicans were talking past each other because -- -- -- Democrats had a meeting yesterday with the four democratic senators from senate bipartisan game made an initiative that's now.
And basically the consensus that they had come to -- the little that's -- -- is.
We don't want to do anything -- -- citizenship but then you have Republicans saying well we have to do border security first.
But -- it's it's unclear how much and border security is actually going to be enough giving.
That there have been efforts and success that it.
And if that evidence -- Republicans that's something that is a security first.
That is full -- And then the issue got into that sent in the senate bill there was not -- trigger Irsay.
And there was division on this question -- it is Eric Cantor said last night -- with Sean Hannity.
The house doesn't have the requisite confidence in the Department of Homeland Security.
To say when it.
The -- -- the requisite confidence and it Southgate I think you guys John Boehner I don't know that he would know what I'm saying is that.
Fine if they want to say if there isn't it how does it say we will do something that house in port security first I'm saying is I think that there could be.
An overarching paranoia that they don't want to do any of that because no matter what they do.
They're gonna get back with something that they don't want and if they send something.
It to a conference committee.
That has no path witnesses that it's going to be a -- it Democrats.
I just don't see there's a clear pathway forward to this and I don't know that this border security argument.
Is actually not -- crews were not -- it.
Well to do is -- -- -- I I won't impugn anybody's motives I believe that I believe the Democrats obviously want a pathway to citizenship.
And I believe the Republicans obviously want border security first.
I believe that that -- sequencing of this matters a great deal to both sides because Democrats don't require Republicans -- tough.
Democrats don't trust Republicans enough.
To go for security.
I mean this is the -- -- -- amendment -- it has been an additional 38 billion dollars on border security in addition to what was -- provision.
In the original framework.
They they were pretty.
It wasn't as strong as -- the -- -- -- amendment which Democrats it was a starter for I mean it did it.
-- a lot in the indebted Italy around the border security and the other thing is is like look it's people who come to this country -- it's not like everyone is just -- through the -- -- people of.
-- states that leaves -- with so either is such a big deal we have we have to go.
We have to go three but it doesn't warrant your comebacks and we'll probably I didn't know we were fighting but not Friday you know they're they're not I don't know if it was -- -- -- what will you come back soon and fight with this but until.
Then read her.
Please do read her at roll call including her place he's immigration -- awaits house -- -- -- it's time.
That's the -- -- Didn't know unfortunately not that'd be great to be appear as -- -- -- anyway hope smoke coming -- from the have you had a late -- Canada.
All right we're gonna take a quick break but when we come back we'll discuss with our panel about who gets to delay what.
In the president's 2010 health law.
How's it playing out there and can Republicans use an -- a moment of opportunity.
To get somewhere on -- law that they -- we'll talk about it when we come back to stick around.
People might rent and I can raise taxes that of course they -- everything corporations earn ultimately goes to people.
What do you think it goes.
Yeah yeah yeah.
Corporation -- -- people to my friend that is what Willard M Romney said.
The -- and -- in August of 2011.
And this is power -- welcome back.
Now governor Romney was derided -- there -- it.
Act in Ames Iowa and -- they don't have the state fair game that's added to Moines.
But he was booted -- We're saying that's.
And now the discussion in Washington interestingly it is big corporations have been given a -- exemption.
From the mandate.
That is in the presidents when he -- health law.
That compels them to either provide insurance that meets the requirements laid out.
By the Department of Health and Human Services.
Or start paying -- this was this was -- -- part of the law.
That moderate Democrats that would make -- fiscal more fiscally responsible since it would drive employers to insure more people DN.
For those that -- not do offset some of the cost of new insurance subsidies.
Residents that he didn't.
Because big business and said this is to -- So Valerie Jarrett who is magical as we've added that his book.
Said we're not gonna do that we're gonna give our friends at the chamber of commerce a little love and let these guys off the hook for another year to date Republicans are saying.
Old if it's good enough for ExxonMobil.
Why wouldn't it be good enough for -- pot -- so what about that we'll talk about it.
I think we'll talk about probably a lot of stuff know these two guys.
David Mercer -- former deputy national finance director for the Democratic National Committee.
He -- democratic strategist ideas of welcome guests and great friend -- -- -- and evidently follow oval at beltway.
Jonathan -- beneath his -- is still not the director of communications at American crossroads he's former Press Secretary for the national Republican congressional.
And Amos Snead was obviously at -- did you guys that like a Republican.
That's like you know it's a summertime eagle on vacation before you guys rally beard is this -- guys.
-- -- if -- when that mocked him he says this about immigration probably would have still lost the Hispanic vote that was left for.
And the last time we.
The Republicans lost -- percentage of the Hispanic vote.
And yes I just want to clarify this yes and what I'm saying here is -- that somehow -- Phoenix will magically become Republicans.
Once there is this immigration but the constant discussion -- Democrats -- -- talk about it.
Or Republicans want to do not talk about that Republicans can find a way to talk about immigration moves that that's all -- said.
Aren't so David I ask you this press.
People keep talking with president's health laws training rack this that it's the other thing.
But the part that you guys have wanted all along the free insurance for people part of it.
Is coming in to place on October 1 that's coming to town.
The paying for pardon -- on the no fun part is like who cares right.
I don't think it's okay.
You may not have -- -- but you're -- its work.
Look there's several parts of the -- some are in place now those coming -- on the exchanges in 2014.
And the individual mandate.
And the employer mandate.
The employer mandate with consultations with businesses -- you alluded to earlier was something that they've determined.
In in consultation with businesses.
Of those or employers have fifty or more pleased to him for goes next year.
The penalty but let's see let's point -- 96%.
Given by employers of 50% more and they're not likely to -- is true we don't -- percent of workers.
So we don't need to create a whole.
Bunch of worries.
That this is not.
Gone into effect Orton won't be going and its effect on fourteen and fifteen and the main part of this is if you really want to talk about whether it -- leveling playing that we should have the exchanges up and running.
Which a lot of Republican governors and stately stuff.
-- -- Putting in place but everybody voyeuristic where everybody still gets an exchange -- it's just got.
Of water by the federal government if the states don't but why would the state governors.
The Republican governors -- -- and they -- the -- people that couldn't get into those exchanges and have health care.
John -- -- I don't mind it's there it's a valid point.
I want to ask you that what in the name.
What in the name of Wilbur Mills is going on in this am president of the United States gets to say to a law that bears his name is his legacy provision.
And say I shall do this by the first day -- 2014.
But I will not and I will instead do this a year later is so basically now we are these laws -- sort of suggestions.
Yeah I mean that that's exactly what it looks like to but to go to David's point here I don't even know that it's possible to enforce the individual mandate if they don't have the data.
That would be coming from the employer mandate.
So not having the -- mandate until 2015.
-- the entire individual mandate in play as for the state exchanges even in democratic states like even in democratic states like Connecticut.
They are they are struggling it'll be -- yes.
Still I think -- -- sailors and hand and so we're we're seeing a lot of the promises from this health care -- health care bill does not play ask for universal coverage.
Which kind of things like order through all of these costs we have yeah we're gonna have higher -- -- -- have all these exchanges people losing health care and had to -- to new plan.
CBO said the ten years or so out there in 39 that your people.
-- the question here really becomes can we dismantle this law piece by piece which is what we want to do and then be able to.
And -- and it's entirely later on once Republicans.
-- CBO also said that it would reduce the deficit is what else do it is -- -- -- but why not but why not delay any individual mandate.
Because you're trying to get people into.
Those health care changes.
And those and it's and it's available to them.
And so and that is a very good point so you've got -- in fiscal let's let's -- you tell you about.
Inequality of fiscal exposure.
If this 1% of employer employees at -- many more time to get their act together compared to compel people who don't wanna buy insurance mostly young correct correct and and and in so doing as I mentioned the importers -- not going to.
-- people off despite what has been rumored to be a threat -- people off their health care.
Because they want to be competitive in the marketplace and giving them the the best employees so they're gonna have.
There health care program but as those that don't have those options that looks at the exchanges and we want to get them into the exchanges.
And if they don't choose to go -- the exchanges and there is the tax penalties that they.
Have done so hopefully we do get those exchanges up and running in the states that Steve King holding back are -- speaking here.
We now the speaker would like he's.
Evil -- A little bit -- -- -- he we have and we've heard from the speaker it's time for legislative the president won't delay.
His own individual mandate.
That -- congress should pass a law.
And king pointed out he said look I don't want to vote for any law that does -- that does anything but rip it out root and branch I don't wanna -- any of this law.
That's a divide that exists among Republicans is that a fair answer.
-- it certainly are concerned that the issue is that without political power to repeal the whole thing.
I think it's the only responsible thing we can duties to -- -- dismantle.
-- -- and then.
Hoping we're just trying to do oh yeah.
They were going to protect our going for -- series and it's our belief that we believe that we should be dismantling of -- stuff.
As well as we can't while we have the power to do it and if we elect a Republican president when he succeeds we can hear the rest of it if I can remind him that's where Medicare Medicare part -- and exactly the same kind of issues battling it out and everything absolutely and you -- -- 10% of the public what what it was like what's Medicare now you couldn't.
Have somebody trying to implement it just.
I didn't expect that I don't like yeah I was I was at the FCC I was working with house Republicans to six it was this that's not -- -- -- all they got people people signed up were in Canada -- when a successful new government going and doing it and it was true.
People -- here.
And we we're not gonna go to Medicare or do you.
And I promise we will not but will always be grateful.
For us today whatever your -- where it.
Honestly you manage your next -- dangling down on the side.
We're gonna take a quick break we're back with Joseph Trippi he's not bearded I don't think I hope.
But he is wise he is wise.
And we will stroke -- -- with him when he when we come back says.
As the united states military tests did the -- bomb back in about 1955 and this is our quiet.
Now a nuclear option and in.
In Alamogordo is a New Mexico is different than one in Washington Washington it's lame compared to that.
In Washington it's about changing the rules in the United States and -- To get nominees through on a 51 vote threshold as opposed to sixty vote threshold that is are -- able to date specs.
It's getting hot in here as it relates to back.
That's and he keeps disclosed that he -- former.
Howard Dean campaign manager he is a Fox News contributor is followed by more than a million -- -- at Joseph Trippi and he is well guess that shows -- well.
-- -- -- -- Harry Reid yes would not -- in the senate today yes Sharon angle was not good at running for the senate but even with that.
Period would not in the senate today if these big gains in America had not -- -- -- -- -- list for they pushed harder for Harry Reid and 2010.
And remember Harry -- was a Dead Man Walking.
Everybody believed at the beginning of that election cycle he could not win.
In the unions really into the -- and -- angle.
You think she'd she trumps AF you know she trumps trump got into -- -- if I don't honestly don't know -- think -- so we can agree that they were important in his reelection.
Sure yes other important a lot of Democrats are real but they went to they went to the -- for sure now they want him to go to the -- for -- the National Labor Relations Board will be found itself.
Due to vacancies in a couple of months.
Which means that all the stuff that the unions -- in order to get back on the good foot with.
Private sector unions.
Can't be enacted because they will have a war right they're gonna run out of human beings they won't have enough.
Of the president's.
Appointees got booted by court because it because they were not recess appointments where it goes back and forth Mitch -- -- agree.
Because he's perfectly fine.
Without -- being you know mentality just as Democrats -- fun with there being no Federal Election Commission during the bush era that -- -- itself.
Management so McConnell as well parties yeah it was anybody's -- I was like I let it got a great okay -- -- -- -- both parties are guilty of doing so -- the labor does not want this to happen and they want to come to change senate rules.
So that pretty.
If that -- from Nevada right to change senate rules so that it only takes 51 votes.
This of the nuclear option and McConnell and the Republicans are basically daring him.
-- here you.
-- of this this but this is that as we know it's been going -- for quite awhile and we literally every.
Couple months there's another threat -- -- that the nuclear option in the Republicans.
You know basically calling now.
In going to war over and over whether there should be -- nuclear the -- the nuclear option is what you do it.
It's there for everybody if it sounds great when you're in charge that.
Well and with the Danish McDonald's and charming you know right of the dated the Republicans it -- controlled senate.
It's also been critical of you -- the nuclear option was first discussed back way back when Bill Frist.
Majority leader in the United States and the Democrats for block -- a bunch of Bush's judicial nominees and that basically the -- said.
Hey you can just change the rules the rules been around since the seventies and just changed rules and then you can GM these guys -- 51 votes.
-- and as Frist and a lot -- actually said this is too toxic if we do it.
Once we're in the minority we're gonna get it ultimately railroad exactly and -- that's sort of the conundrum it reads in I think no one.
I mean I think people want the rules to work there they're clearly not working I mean in terms of.
These appointments a lot of it on both sides of -- and going back to the bush era it was Democrats.
And so I think.
There's a lot of pressure this time around read it to do it -- You know I still don't know Richard Trumka is making it very clear I don't know whether he will or -- But he does the pay off.
The payoff today.
-- Should be.
Looked and frowned upon and write for a long time when -- win and if the Republicans to control the senate again in and its.
And -- -- reserved for seating and of the problems totally it's.
-- so it's easy you know it's it's going to be very interesting to see what does this time Allen -- of.
It's that stance before but right this issue and other things so.
A columnist he's got -- over a -- a little bit because unions want a functional and our base and McConnell can ask a favor of -- well.
What if I gave view and NLRB.
And we agreed to a package of sweet that would read analysts -- that you could have permanent appointees.
What do we get in turn it could be because of the pressure the -- but -- could be pretty -- yes.
No that's every that's -- I think in the past they've been able to come up with some.
Deals some agreement to not do the nuclear option if -- -- using it -- to create a win win on you know this one without one.
But he's -- -- -- -- that -- but you're right there could be could be that -- theory.
The big stats from McConnell that kids.
-- -- agreed to it to make that thing go both sides want the nuclear option to go disease earlier -- here.
Because take the chance what it means either so there there is -- shocked that it.
Gets played out behind the scenes and we find out later on what what McConnell got.
-- -- make this happen it's actually pragmatic politics mean trauma the partisan polarization as long as to say it's not like there's a -- -- advance her -- is a chance that that occur.
Gene therapy -- does it make words we hear happy with really.
More Zimmerman coming up and now.
As we like to do everyday.
Word from our French are.
Karzai is admittedly unstable.
Likely to bipolar.
And terminally ungrateful that stipulates that -- -- -- but Karzai's not forever.
The Islamist in Afghanistan and Pakistan normative.
And the president -- to make -- decision not based on Karzai and not based on emotion or personal resentment.
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