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I'm telecoms want to welcome blood Deepak Chopra and suns GM Joseph Bruno we pretty popular -- overtime John -- has a same -- -- that's because they're Brothers.
And they've a co written a book.
-- it and look at brotherhood it's.
I wonder what made you a Sunday did finally do this with your brother -- -- Sunday given the famous one over here from the.
No not a -- not me proudest people -- stand on -- accomplishments.
And -- we we want to guerrillas -- -- I try to do -- we had such a fascinating childhood with such amazing stories for the buck up parents grandparents uncles.
I really looked -- for my granddaughters so -- it would be there for them to read.
Other suns Steve Chopra is.
Any at Harvard he is professor of medicine and faculty -- -- -- -- -- continuing medical education at Harvard Medical School.
And people like Joseph where is the author of -- is it what more than 64 books at this point.
All right I gotta gotta get my count up there have been more than 85 different languages.
-- this is must've been an interesting in the sense homecoming for you to work with -- something -- you could never done before -- -- us like.
-- you -- -- you said that in the book you didn't even know what Sunday was gonna say till after the book was written.
Right to be thought you know we relive our memories independently and the if -- meet and exceed surprisingly enough.
Because looks and everything maybe slight differences in interpretation -- minor details.
But that send you said -- could -- good process for both of us because.
Actually brought us together and I didn't then recovered it on the country.
And doing your the interviews and media -- -- so.
It was an opportunity for -- reconnect and -- not that you didn't before.
But you know we've been concentrated time that he -- doesn't that the.
It's interesting that you talk in the book how the both of you chose to leave India would no money your property but intellectual property of a medical school diploma and some dreams.
They didn't make it easy for you to come here the government banned the written examination -- doctor needed to pass a former -- could grant who work visa.
The hurdles both of you Sunday had to come and get -- In order to come to America and and achieve the success you both have is really remarkable.
Data and you know our parents my -- that they have access to -- Liz -- -- lot of greens have big dreams.
And -- us and so many incredible -- A lot of my favorite -- -- from -- and -- good god the great Danish philosopher and theologian who once -- gregarious to lose one's forcing momentary relief.
Not to -- to lose one.
I think -- -- says he.
It's an amazing country.
I I feel -- American somebody -- -- in a recent interview when did you start to feel that when you go like PR.
Immigration and then you -- to Q are you responsible organized could build and has struck watching cricket -- Watch a bit smaller.
Did like you say in the book no one really had asked you not this is such a simple questions sometimes the simplest questions go -- asked who you really are.
And and yet here you are someone who loves being in American although you were not born here.
Yeah you know and -- glow outside the united travelers stayed in different countries and even in India which is my home country.
Blew up -- -- -- -- -- that they wanted to review everything.
That's wrong and yet given the opportunity to immigrate to they would choose to do that committee -- -- Bit -- And this contradiction.
In business to do it because.
Stated that I -- a lot of things about America -- go to admire the United States.
And America I don't know much in the country and you know I mean you're the one to relate to and talks to the meeting that the -- And you know we have big issues related -- with the immigration.
-- I may change to it has the reform close to being fit by special interest groups so.
It's fifteen to think -- this thing the American.
-- two -- do you agree to be comfortable with this paradox and contradiction.
Yes I think we have a paradox on that -- -- that to doctors -- doctors -- the accident linguistic joke.
You Sanjay do you agree with deep -- politically -- stuff.
Yeah I do and I totally agree with him on how we're perceived let me go back to India and -- some of my classmates stayed back.
A few -- -- didn't -- settings hand -- and every -- there's that to me why did you come back to India what does that so great about America and then the next sentences.
My son wants to go to college they -- you have been.
It's immediate things that you know that's how it's.
Then that is the schizophrenic.
Existence -- many Indians.
In your book you you're you're dead is well profiled as somebody who was trained in Britain.
Very well respected and was a tremendous diagnostic Shannon -- -- and the story about how you vote took a -- one day and will -- blind.
Yeah -- that was amazing.
I reflect on that every now and then and I shudder that he -- would that thinking -- that but I -- -- and the -- was thought they couldn't see a -- people -- If that what's about that the -- but I can't see them blind.
And he started to cry he was two years or that he was fourteen I was twelve.
And he said I've got one brother and he's been blind.
And my uncle but but whom I would -- was staying.
Going to school didn't -- Could lead to the military hospital.
And did the doctors didn't have the foggiest idea an ophthalmologist even part -- what might be faking it hysterical Glenn.
And then it finally -- my father Don who was 300 -- on a field trip and achieve.
And he could tell me everything that happened descending in the last month and that he found dark and had a laceration opened -- got stitches antibiotics.
Any -- to question did you get a tetanus shot from beyond Soviet.
This in 1961.
And -- -- -- Was that and take it this you know my particular strokes site and the -- -- -- that they didn't see them and he said he's having.
The radius democratic reaction maybe it goes one and a million.
If severe but that -- -- -- right there was upbeat -- some grown.
And start an -- and given massive dozens of articles steroids.
And it did that in about 68 does and if they could see well and that's going to be I think to myself I wanna be a -- collect my father well.
People -- -- but -- co written brotherhood.
A -- like you.
Especially for people who read your books and -- know -- -- publicly to read about -- Your life and how you evolved to where you are now -- that you would have -- certain point your life you had a wife and young children in Massachusetts.
You -- a conventional medical practice.
And you made it change you you decided at some point that there was a mind body connection you wanted to further explore which let you on the path to how does that happen for -- Well they'll let everything -- was my mail and training with a new kind of I don't know that you -- bring can't make though of this stake in seeing.
Is that is that the Nixon -- -- struck with the fact that patient responses to in this -- and unpredictable.
If other good bench if it's not -- You know your computers predictable because you have -- -- totally predictable equipment -- -- those organisms are not particularly human being.
So it being the connection between what happened in front -- in -- -- -- thoughts feelings emotions imagination.
Says Belinda and what happened nobody knows you know put -- that it scientific basis you know hormone.
-- -- that senate regulated.
And says could -- you look because of music this you know let heeding the dirty words in them and could mention.
Madison you don't were used to it dealing you'd treat patients who practice.
But you don't feel but I could see that we had an evening this month and the president turned to look because on this basis Klug says regulation.
So I took the -- that day and there was let's talk about it today everybody's looking at this some.
-- scientific perspective we know that even medication we just finished a study looked.
-- this who looks -- the Nobel laureate.
And you're looking at -- genome activity.
And denominated simply known as.
In meditation and -- -- mind body techniques.
Philippine long did anybody it's been basically putting -- that.
Sanjay did you think twice about what your brother was doing -- -- kind of went away a little bit from conventional medicine even though we incorporated it.
But -- took a path away from what you perhaps have been trained and.
Oh absolutely I was actually learned.
-- -- when you put toward me Kim -- many good you know moving to California.
And I'm giving up my practice he had a thriving practice he -- litigants to -- taping he was teaching.
He was doing really well but you know he followed his passion his belief I think it was very very courageous.
Did you try to convince an -- No I didn't he the -- all this mean.
Thinking out of the box sometimes when we talk -- -- more -- You strike that is excluding eland.
-- and read wonderful debate.
And nine and you you know Andy said to me he said look if it doesn't look out in a couple of years -- and keep my medical license but I come back -- practiced medicine and then the chronology we have done by their -- yeah you can't give me credit.
I thought that my -- and still didn't think you know is go back on his.
Then maybe some people think used.
Credibility -- -- give inviting me went the to give a -- at the CME course that he does a position.
You had to have a big change in your path the puck went.
You're kind of taken of the wing by the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and he kind of discovered -- right.
He did look back then he ever happened to me -- in India and in a conference in Mount Washington.
And -- inmate didn't it is Umenyiora -- what I was doing any encouragement to look at.
Moved them traditions say I did Phil -- a lot of trepidation but.
In fact he did -- to -- -- do.
Merely get interest is in -- this is the fundamental reality.
The father and -- -- -- where they're both together first and liver to put together is called brotherhood.
We were talking in the last segment.
And you have written only after his death about what separated the two -- -- You -- respectfully until after that time to discuss -- what what happened that brought you apart.
Well there there -- many things that happened you know my issue is not too as photo latter.
And so I became -- -- bat today had never visited countries make.
They've been Soviet Union EU.
-- many other countries.
Bringing -- teachings that he had been given to the word on his behalf.
And so what happened is that a lot of people who started treating me.
They kind of you know what to do it there and then -- -- himself look good.
That and then places they -- saw -- -- Moscow.
And it would be people who -- garden.
Treating me like a good -- -- totally uncomfortable with that.
You never like that where -- -- now.
And I didn't -- -- an indictment did don't think of myself somebody like that though.
You know I'm -- -- -- -- doctor basically -- -- of mind -- -- -- it.
And -- want to expand my reach.
Who -- being disillusioned than being in community -- being in even global event being but I didn't think ginkgo might have been introduced an Indian.
Guru -- teach -- so I was uncomfortable with that.
And then all -- -- there was a lot of politics within the movement is who's.
Was basically getting to be -- if could not totally within.
The language -- -- the until we have teaching that comes from this tradition and then.
You should you don't really belong -- and -- it -- might see.
That I wanted to leave didn't he says -- you do have a site you can stay here out of its -- in you know you can -- commit the -- -- this organization.
And all you can leave and you know the video idea of taking a live and organizations.
Kids mean they.
Unbelievably scared me until I left and he was very kind to me he said that he'd let me go to detach the.
Well actually did they say I've just -- not have any thoughts of you world just.
Do we put it out and beat I've written in the exact English to.
I would be indifferent to you know but that sounds pretty good if you don't understand that -- coming.
-- meant to.
In if you try to fittingly because there is an English living -- So I did did you also get into meditation and didn't do it did -- similar things a -- talks about.
As have you brought that into your own practice.
I have I was the -- out people again his wife precursor until then my wife and I and I my reaction was it's good field.
And then about a month later I intended totally changed my life it actually made my Irish she also.
As did my father spent many many -- the -- man and uncle of mine who was an admiral and the Indian navy my wife make them.
And maharishi says to me -- you know western medicine isn't sinking ship you should abandon it and embrace -- And I could -- I'm not ready for it did.
And I had just written a book then they called disorders of the lava and somebody mentioned it to him and he said have you written a chapter on -- Richard medicines can actually harm people who -- them even killed him.
And it could minutiae that the trapped on drug induced.
Get back of toxicity.
Police might that mean he's good to -- you have my.
As you admitted -- -- well.
Absolutely I wake up every morning at -- city and I mitigate.
I have -- of its friends and family and patience but I think there's a wonderfully entrance thing.
You should meditate once today and if you don't have time to do that you should meditate twice -- -- That FF I think -- -- -- that didn't like you know it's interesting that this seems to be resurgence of late in this interest in meditation.
That -- -- talked about a year.
Yeah I don't know if they could the because -- -- offense.
Could not speak about how meditation not doing the improved says regulation.
People who capacity for loving kindness compassion.
And -- -- joy and equanimity.
You know and then -- -- today -- the main -- articulate that you know that.
It's that no definitely.
A near practiced TM and I'm reading a lot lately about mindful meditation is there a big difference between the -- you -- -- one over the other.
Bill light bill and -- -- -- it the other mine permit is pretty significant.
In news that's come and my infinite is very well known in India -- but enough.
And it's gone -- but this tradition.
That to be mind couldn't appeal by deep -- if you read -- because there's new mint toothpaste.
While the other relationships.
Not that you do this audit at the same time you can choose any one of those things and it does definitely have very profound to take.
And not -- that you can see -- -- that changes.
In -- pre frontal -- sudden.
And modernized so there's some really good looked at -- she -- it's -- -- doing.
We've had -- -- our confidence that they do and scientists.
And you know we Miette collaborating with people who practice mind.
You simply TM -- -- unless you think both of them are valid.
-- put them.
Demo that it didn't that they need centering prayer.
And many others who you know that do you tend embark on medical and that includes.
-- -- Son gave what are you read in this in your own book.
That surprise you about your brother.
You know Ireland actually nothing nothing nothing that deep but didn't -- do was so -- -- you -- characterize him as impulsive.
-- -- by a full -- courageous and Vietnam.
He gets a win gets a pocket he just embraces it.
We will we were on the show in New York -- 92 Y and the anchor the -- -- -- -- And they didn't because if he was sitting next to and in -- didn't listen and -- -- one question what would it be.
So I don't could be but it -- -- -- I'm ready for your question.
That's got people who cracked up but in this CNN interview the active they beat but -- all -- and stripes have been abilities and vagaries of life how do you prepare for it.
And he -- I -- evening prayer that I say every night.
I people unpredictability.
To the -- you think -- does -- think that the people that you do that every night he said yes.
I could give -- predictably.
That's an aspect of this but we had a good but we have a relationship what is deep like the definition of in -- is your definition of enlightenment.
Yeah that is in that tradition wisdom tradition it's going beyond.
You're eagle put Panetta.
-- actually experiencing is -- mean that -- win it.
-- is universal which is because unity -- that it doesn't mean you lose you.
Eagle identity it just means that it doesn't overshadow -- -- expect -- I didn't.
So fascinating book called brotherhood to debug and Sanjay Chopra thank you both very much Sanjay -- -- -- maker Clayton thanks so much for.
Being with us here tonight.
Delighted to be on it --
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