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Joining us our legal panel in Washington Bernie Grimm in San Francisco Jim Hammer.
And here and Sanford Florida Ted Williams and Diana tennis let me go first to Diana since you are Florida lawyer.
Camry and the issue of a liar Y is that said today.
-- port one of -- policy or prosecute.
In a while listen they've got a really tough road to hold the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that self defense does not apply that's very very difficult.
What they need the jury to believe it's not just that this is a follower profiler.
They need to believe that George Zimmerman story is a complete -- because if they believe the essence of George Zimmerman story which has been.
I would submit fairly consistent.
Then they're gonna believe that those injuries.
Caused him to draw the -- and that is self defense in a nutshell so they really need.
To poke holes in that story I don't think they -- far -- today I think that John guys really gonna need to bring this together.
Because we still don't know what the prosecution theory as you know I would have so we'll get into all of the later but I actually that was actually surprise that the prosecution is -- I thought that they they threw in the towel on -- too but they really hammered home one that manslaughter charges.
That's where I think the defense getting really worried about remnants of -- heavy -- -- but the issue of up.
-- -- -- attack on the credibility of George Zimmerman why that.
Well it's it's all you've really got we've been talking about plus a couple of weeks -- the problem and a self defense cases the other side of that of the fight in this case.
He's not with -- so all you've got to Zimmerman decided that I -- prosecute a case like this Greta where I was convinced it was a murder case I argued it.
They found not guilty -- manslaughter because they couldn't absolutely come to that beyond a reasonable doubt that he was lying so -- one hope.
Is to convince the jury he's lied about the key facts in this case -- really -- to do today.
And they get the jury to make the -- and say he's lying because he's guilty and he's making up the self defense it's a tough case to prosecute that's what they're trying to do.
Let me couldn't go back counted and every man's body of the -- -- how many years if convicted manslaughter because there's -- got involved there's a maximum of thirty he's gonna -- minimum twelve or so.
There's no minimum mandatory but it's still harsh it's it's not it's a harsh reality.
Ten -- thoughts on the prosecutor Iraq and the issue of credibility of the defendant.
Well you know -- I'm very bad.
The prosecutor is trying his best reviewed -- about a way I believe -- dance.
Bad they have toward quit and when it comes through these inconsistencies.
And these lies one -- -- -- revised from an album weird wind what are police officers got on the stand and say dad -- I believe.
Some of my bad really hard not a next baby say they want to strike yet but hey that was -- -- the -- of that dirty.
You get -- talk about three to suppress his his -- with the murder -- I totally agree but I let me -- -- -- I'd be terrified -- that manslaughter did today.
Bernie your thoughts about the closing argument today the prosecutor.
Yeah I mean Greta you -- you know I know better than anybody.
That you know we really hate these lesser included -- is a very difficult conversation.
That you have to have with your client whether you want to lesser included or not sometimes -- judge is gonna give it over your objection.
But you're right mr.
Zimmerman should be concerned about that.
No the reason at this stage pounding the rises because there's no eyewitnesses against the only witnesses -- nervous they need to -- That he's lying about it therefore he must be guilty.
I thought they exaggerated things like Zimmerman got out of it.
Got car didn't know what street he was timing that that's a throw away -- it he's concerned.
Maybe he didn't know where it wasn't from looking at you the editor and it's obviously very dark out there so I I wouldn't.
That's minutia as a port calls them and -- this recollection's.
Right now I want -- set off for view up.
And the whole issue of credibility because I want you to here's something and I cannot believe that the defense just sat there was this -- let's -- to another -- -- by the -- -- -- -- something.
A man who after shooting.
Trade on Martin.
Claims to not have realized.
That he was dead we -- also.
-- came out.
And recall also what happen.
When the officer came out.
And it handcuffed them.
And recall what he told mr.
-- please call my wife.
And then apparently mister -- was taking -- -- -- something.
And he said just -- killed.
And and that way that prosecutor saying that well I had say that George Zimmerman is a liar because he said -- that neighbor.
That they just -- -- that he denies it's apparently to the practice that officer an hour later but.
-- -- neighbors -- actual testimony about that phone call would simmons' wife.
I -- had a connection with the right away and I have -- your husband isn't involved in the shooting.
Keeping handcuffed and can be held for questioning in the center police department.
And around that time -- kind of cut me off places just -- shot someone.
So you cannot just talk about that what the wind has really said -- -- shooting death and when when that when that applied on the prosecutor today.
Says to the jury.
That he's a liar because he act surprised now or later we -- definitely stuck -- his -- needed Billy's dad that prosecutors said he's a big liar.
-- someone's got to throw -- the prosecutor.
Or not enemy just wears a defense I would have been I'm like oh yeah I would have jumped up I would -- then I would ask strike that.
We are gonna talk about this I guarantee you the defense -- that plus a lot of other things they argued you know what what I anyway you know you take a minute I heard that I know how I've checked that it should act of checking -- -- you know -- say that's not true.
That's misleading the jury and instruct the jury -- -- -- because he's trying to make my plan a liar he's dead wrong -- I want I just want you to I want us to wait until tomorrow I do believe every -- statement will be.
That rammed down the throat of the prosecute.
And there I I I do believe that we will say tomorrow this it was better never let it never really got when asked -- what about -- -- and would.
Not a doesn't pass me -- I didn't get a lot of objections in his case this is clearly want -- -- objected but this is what the prosecutor got to worry about.
Those jurors that they can -- you write notes and and and at the par.
You know it is there but there was a -- -- -- -- you know I tell you you've got to -- Front I was hey guys except I missed the opportunity to disrupt the prosecution's closing argument and as and appointed the prosecutor and stay -- kiddies trying days trying to mislead -- -- -- so critical yet Jim.
That it really damaging and you know and if I -- sit across Bernie you gotta be on your toes because if he doesn't cut you off -- -- tomorrow.
Everything depends on your credibility OK everything depends your credibility -- that juries -- prosecutors will be were in the white cat being the good guy if you -- the evidence.
You lose all your credibility in this case goes down to I.
I know this case so well I picked up the real -- disease he's a liar I know the case better if the DA script like betting -- -- when that it's terrible for the process.
They screwed up why don't we just we just played what he did Gloria -- here today we just what he did -- the area trying to make it look twice like Zimmerman an exact extent and why we started a cap.
-- -- -- -- You guys and it's up on Joseph Biden Bernie isn't total missed opportunity but let me respond to right birdie didn't object from his office in Washington what -- what the what the judge was gonna say is everybody keep in mind what your recollection of the evidence as that was what you can -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Actually I don't know that I would is -- make that sort of most -- statement.
To the jury and I just sit there letter make them most is it and then to and then the next few pricey item were already in the judgment that musty statement -- didn't I tell you the truth yeah -- -- Neither really gonna go to jail -- -- red -- closed and Greta made aware of them are pretty Eddie I don't -- behind these other -- I would have to wait.
Opera Amman come on my side and I think what went over here is doing right now is watching -- -- and saying to himself let.
You can continue to make these misstatements because hammers right.
At the end here you know the lawyers that -- their respective -- if they all of a sudden bail out on the state and say you know what.
He's not telling us the truth anymore -- Mir is setting a lot done Greta he just like you just.
No I don't burning thirty -- -- different so here's why should have been done today is it disrupts the flow of the prosecution be called out on something so important.
And told the jury and you -- the prosecutor and you send a message to the jury to be on your toes because this guy Peter doesn't get a street intentionally.
Or because he made a mistake or something -- so I would have called about right then and there but.
We're dreadlocks and Jared who watched the more we know what it and I won't -- yeah and I could not -- -- moral.
Oh Mara isn't going to say ladies are route related that a jury did you.
Know what -- yesterday.
There's no interest rate they just campaigning say if you believe it as well Syria passion about things that I -- -- -- I'm would -- a bit I target I.
-- -- -- -- Harrison county jury her game said -- thank you -- But I don't know what is gonna have anymore questions for me and another sound like something -- the prosecutor said.
-- guilty of murder and secondly.
Do you believe.
That there is an innocent -- sitting there right now.
-- pretty it's -- problem I have with that I'm frustrated calling -- out -- And it is it using dogs and kids Chris Douglas innocence he shifted the burden I would've been -- might -- instead of the judges.
I'm trying to shift the burden on that's that's what I have done I know all the rest of my husband.
Greta Greta in listening to you you would act apparently you're representing -- you would have been standing through the -- -- closing argument.
I lawyers do a different ways.
I feel they are seeing a -- I -- that I that I give -- better closing argument.
Then the other side and when you're a quarter of you have to believe that let this -- make as many -- as they want because I'm just gonna shut it up or shut it down their throat tomorrow.
I totally agree with that because this is not a judge that's gonna help you make similar if not you know what I could sit in the sit well.
Isn't -- it's not a popularity contest with the judge the -- just a problem he -- like to make our record for the Court of Appeals to her and she can scream that you all you want but they have -- -- -- record they have a great record why do that if it's only gonna look like you're trying to if they if they walk away with a manslaughter conviction tomorrow because they are not aggressive well this discussion but I guess we will -- -- doesn't -- well anyway -- the -- -- also using simmons' interview with our -- Sean -- is closing argument take -- -- Running this.
There's -- who's been chancellor retrospective.
And I mean what happened.
The mindset progressive in that room that.
Actually I'm speaking of those -- -- Millions of -- it was -- just.
And -- yeah.
And he is reversible -- well.
True Roland Martin skin -- Since -- following him -- what do you want from you.
-- -- -- -- That is better realize hope that doesn't look good and gives me some chasing him that -- -- trade blog wanna scare.
That doesn't look good for me so what -- Well.
Well at seven inches teens test used -- political.
Are no matter how come I don't yes I have very skip right I -- Gephardt and some aren't but -- long.
These moderate interfere.
Inside that I -- -- I don't know it's not why -- there is not there I don't believe any thing.
Not much better at it that's different allowing and they are sitting there it is without minor.
Graft not their minor it's just that -- Georgia story didn't change any more often than the prosecution story did.
Is -- -- don't -- is -- on the bottom are they standing.
That he hit his head on a tree getting -- I don't know what's really -- them at -- -- -- Isis I learned I couldn't disagree more you might be.
He might -- he might be true isn't a clinical setting but the promising manslaughter is sitting there in the biggest fear of any defense lawyers and quicker isn't gonna like say well we can't we don't think it's murder too but we don't -- -- about some nice young man he was intense -- and -- -- with the manslaughter right.
-- -- -- -- Think that it's it this morning is if he could -- -- -- -- minor exit -- when you listener that and we've all heard liars either on the -- at home more are on the street.
-- you know this.
All of a lot I don't -- -- I don't mean I don't mean running I mean skipping are you kidding me he was skipping.
Yeah there's -- -- be as big as it sounds like somebody had -- quick really quick.
It sounds like somebody in very intentionally.
Minimizing and Cheney -- statement and the prosecutors -- hope now.
Is listening to this guy -- surgical weight he he is a liar he didn't make this up on key points it's different.
-- do that because he's making up the self defense I think it's huge.
I act -- stay with us we have so much -- talk about.