Power Play 7/12/2013
The Politics of the Zimmerman trial. Napolitano resigns. Why should we worry about abortion? Chris Stirewalt and guests discuss
Jul 12, 2013
Juan Williams, John Stanton
The Politics of the Zimmerman trial. Napolitano resigns. Why should we worry about abortion? Chris Stirewalt and guests discuss
Jul 12, 2013
Juan Williams, John Stanton
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Grow fast and other -- is that have come to be associated with air travel for some reason in the United States of America is part of the Janet Napolitano.
-- -- -- the department of homeland security and she's only third ever secretary of Homeland Security it's calling it quits today.
This is power play and I -- Chris -- -- so what about that.
What about its consequences as it relates to the immigration debate over their big -- they're big and what about the nuclear option Harry Reid says he -- go nuclear in the senate and lower the threshold for nominees to 51.
That could be a big deal for replacing somebody in a contentious controversial kind of -- such -- that.
We will sift through we will get totally regular -- on all of that stuff today.
We'll get through it one Williams will be here today we believe we are told DC traffic and they want -- be here today to talk about a remarkably good -- that he had.
This pieces are generally good but this was remarkably good about race politics and the trailer on -- killing in the Zimmerman trial it's really good.
You're going to like that and we'll have a handle on.
The Texas abortion.
Think today the senate is going Texas and it is going but David Dewhurst.
And it is going to try to break.
His streak of unbroken.
Of unbroken failure.
And get this bill that is broadly supported in the Texas senate which doesn't like abortion.
Get this through.
But what about the implications beyond Texas for Democrats and Republicans as the abortion issue comes to the four.
As Republicans try to curtail.
Late term we're so what about that what about all those things somebody while -- treated me I want you to get tuna.
I have known him only through his writing until moments ago is John Stanton he is the Washington bureau chief for -- And he is.
Eminently vulnerable at DC big John.
It's a huge it is one of my favorite feeds because it is New Jersey and it is -- it is also funny and it is also -- so John while.
Think you are itself.
Janet Neapolitan on -- -- says Matt Drudge is like right now having to go through the archives to pull out all of the pictures ever Janet Napolitano -- says.
-- You know certain.
We're -- -- was -- -- at first and then you see this is going to take over -- UC system in California where why it's more or less yes it's -- what's being the head of the small country that's a new age stuff yeah that's so big job it was a horse or snow that you know that the best -- Scotland that list so you know I can only.
-- other way I expected.
The -- tonne -- -- hole I would I would have called this all wrong and the slate of who was the first to reboot -- -- reboot and I would have put holder in a volatile a fairly early in the rotation.
Controversy -- tough it difficult replacement got to be whatever.
But it instead it was Leon Panetta who was who and Hillary Clinton but those folks weren't as controversial as these two.
I was surprised I guess what my surprise was that what she'd stayed six months into the year I thought she'd be around for awhile.
I think they were wounded tournament I think everyone sort of assume that you shouldn't -- -- holders to at least through.
The end of this year maybe next year you know in the -- beautifully the last two years -- -- third contempt filings by the -- again.
Do it right and she could she's got a very good relationship with the -- -- their their fairly close -- Anderson -- that she you know the lawyer for all the controversy that surrounded her.
She's also done a fairly decent job growth of sort of steering that but we'll be shipment and it's a pretty enormous bureaucracy that she's doing work there.
And it ended the controversies -- she has said her group agency did touch that fast and furious stuff to a degree.
But he -- did your rival tobacco firearms and explosives were good the party hero.
The the most of it has increased it to the Justice Department.
Her big thing though has been the controversy for her is.
How heinous it is to fly on an airplane -- in America and -- taking your.
Water bottle away and touching the underwear of your toddler.
And the TSA in general frustrations with that but she hasn't had that much authority and her job she has a lot of authority.
But yeah this is a union a large unionized work force some of it is privatized in the sense that it's outsourced -- small airports that's not fun but it intersects with humanity -- Yeah and I think if you get did you -- deployment of the TS -- which has actually is one of the few places with the government directly interferes with the public.
Which is automatically going to make everything that you do controversial and they're having a -- -- -- people who aren't giving up more red light green well it's actually.
People are people are -- already -- By the time you -- I'm you know -- by the time -- paid a 150 dollars check your bags.
And your by the time you get to that TSA for -- -- not good.
But they haven't been particular they've not found a particularly good way to do this and if you've ever been through the process.
And it's like we have to look at a naked picture view or touch your private parts looks like you shirt are you sure this is the only way -- the only way that we can do this there's not there's not a you guys are sure there's not a better way.
-- -- -- -- A big complaint from conservatives about the immigration bill in the senate is that there is.
Up to the Department of Homeland Security.
To enact there's no trigger approach say.
She or whomever her successor would be would would verify that the border was an 86% secure.
Where that it would.
Create permanent legal status for those already here illegally.
So this makes her successor a bigger deal right.
A -- I think you know especially if the if the administration wants to do that on on the -- so it was expected that they want to really wanna try to do this if assuming they were to get a bill was restored.
Actually don't we are actually in court and no one here and make it on -- to -- -- bill you know.
The Obama administration almost certainly would want to have that declaration -- before he walks up the door so that it starts that process case.
But yeah conservative Republican looks at wins and comes in 1000 UG HS secretary that's going to be much more stringent about how.
Just following Tom Tancredo is running ths they're gonna take a dimmer view about border security right exactly and ABC -- -- -- a lot harder to hit then record the unabomber.
That makes a huge huge but -- also.
I was about to say you want somebody less controversial.
Harry Reid may go nuclear next week he is sounding like he's gonna say and and what they're doing we talked about this -- what they're doing with the what -- basically though the take away yesterday.
After he and Mitch McConnell got done shooting spit balls at each other for two hours on the senate floor the take away from yesterday is this.
Harry Reid on Tuesday may.
Say and he gets asked Joseph Biden to do it it's complicated but Joseph Biden has to come over to the senate and say I decree.
That bad believe it only takes 51 votes to confirm and -- they're saying they won't do it for legislation just for nominations.
I -- this and then as long -- 51 democratic senators vote to uphold that rule then it becomes for the first time the rule of the sentence if he's serious about he's he's.
I still think he's -- it but he's he's acting very serious about doing this on nominations.
That would mean that would lower the threshold for -- the president can nominate right because you if it's sixty votes you have to do something that was palatable to -- It's yes although you know I think.
The reality is is I agree to them I'm not sure that the reason to do this -- people I knew that know him personally it showed that she is.
It's very upset about sort of things were going I mean there's just this weird you know notion that -- -- Republicans.
Decided to blow up something you know happens filibuster from Democrats -- sit there.
Know who believes that a far more the last years and Democrats have done that the justice.
You know the right every -- starting tonight and every every year is going to get worse and here's a prediction it will be worse next year than it is spam and I think you.
There's there's this huge -- goes along with this thing for her because once you start doing this everything then that does have a sixty vote margin could suddenly.
Reason play there are a lot of things go on the senate -- -- under with the -- unanimous consent when you don't have a vote if they changed this rule.
You could see Republicans essentially blocking everything we're forcing these votes forcing time and it really become a problem and feel for those -- do you just nominee.
You can see them try to slow -- way and they can also if you pick somebody is controversial there could inflame things -- -- -- -- Especially -- they -- they can't stop the person so.
They try to block everything else story.
The good that's when they need to be -- -- Well and and there is that the what kind of person would you expect the president be looking for this game.
Brings you to somebody from -- -- -- -- the release someone close to assistant to the three have been former governors.
Tom Ridge of Pennsylvania was the first of -- -- -- sort of like the democratic answer.
-- in his case he was a Republican from a blue state.
In her case she was a Democrat from red states former governor law and order wreck occurred and that kind of stuff Michael Chertoff was both of them so -- expect somebody when -- -- mold.
Maybe we haven't heard their names they're not a political figure job as much as -- somebody from the law enforcement community.
I can see -- I mean there's going to be somebody who is is royal blue Obama loyal to his people at the White House and seeing what he's done in the White House is sort of gone more towards.
What -- insular credible -- kind of a deal over there and let's see something similar here.
Com he's going to be somebody who's very progressive on immigration I think.
Probably somebody who's going to be fairly conservative -- on a long way.
Residents and busting arresting people right where.
That's right and trust and trust me if Johnston had the opportunity he would be -- serious about that you've been -- don't mess with them -- right.
Donald thank you for making time for us today and please read his piece is a great piece.
On the fights a court is really good it's really really -- -- -- following him and read that he's -- thank you for.
We're very very quick break but when we come back -- Williams is waiting to talk to you and he has another great piece this is really this is a lot of must reading today and -- joins the list.
As he talks about race politics and our national identity -- relates -- -- trial.
We're gonna do when we come back so stick around.
Don't quite a -- look like -- And -- You know I think they are right to expect.
That -- all of us.
-- are you gonna take this with the seriousness it deserves.
And that was what President Obama said about the killing of seventeen year old trade on Martin and Sanford Florida.
The president was speaking there.
-- Kind of off the cuff but couldn't -- off the cuff remarks back in March in the Rose Garden.
And this is power play welcome back and wearing clothes -- is when that the close of the closing arguments.
In the trial of George Zimmerman down and Sanford Florida we were promised at that moment when the president was talking the media expectation.
The political expectation was for something on the order of the Rodney King trial something on the order -- bonfire of the -- entities.
But we didn't get Tom wolf we haven't gotten Tom -- instead we've -- sort of an updated John Updike we've gotten.
-- grinding tableau.
In a racial hostility.
In middle to lower middle class -- serve in Florida.
There is not a lot.
There's not it is not -- it is not big on the magnitude of those other things.
And somebody who.
Has pulled the threat out very expertly on this drawing on his experience in covering.
The big trials of the past and how they affected those things.
His Juan Williams.
Juan Williams aside from them aside from.
Where you can read -- foxnews.com you can that -- you can read about the hill these all over the place.
He is -- political analyst here at Fox News Channel.
And a beloved member of this family -- So magic wand.
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Crackers a teenage mammy and the sorry truth about race in the Zimmerman trial it is it's a wonderful it's -- -- just so be -- Christmas -- take -- Well you know I think a lot of this is really framed by the media in the most distorted way.
And I am a fan of the New York Times very cute but I think they just -- badly moment which we're amazed began with this business about a -- has been white Hispanic.
And -- -- -- -- a single what was that what you are -- you could argue well there's such a thing as nonhispanic.
White lie in the Census Bureau but this was not what they were saying well.
There's -- today than nonhispanic -- the Census Bureau and there is such a thing as.
Bob I guess you could say that bit of black Hispanic yes there is there's such a thing is that a person who identified themselves as well I.
Right but it is of Hispanic as a lot -- Our parents is for example my mother's -- so I guess you could say that they.
Anyway the point is I think it was intentionally done by the -- times that bit.
A narrative which is why a guy tracks and profiles.
Black teen -- white right white privilege on trial was the prop -- right and so this isn't exactly your point that it's -- They were looking for -- well by the way you're surprisingly literary mean.
Really man really three and -- donated.
From just does that from West Virginia.
I -- and I know this is like Washington.
I'll outfits all that time I don't believe anything -- newspaper answer I've already aren't -- yeah.
But I've read the only period that I've been guns -- -- every -- well when you should read John -- I'm offering that if you read by the way and it's in instinct take on this.
-- -- Back to blood meal who isn't is a really good book because and it it actually palm's pre trade I think he wrote -- pre pre trip.
Hispanic identity black identity and white identity in South Florida right I heard and read he's really good it's really -- and it deals with some.
So I think that they -- -- your time so much wanted what is I think a well worn narrative which is -- eight.
Assailant black victims you know and black teen victim and you can go back to the Scotts Borough boards -- Emmett Till they were gonna get that vote yeah but it turns out.
Wait -- -- -- it will play I think you mean Hispanics and blacks don't ever have tensions.
And we live in a society built with racial caricatures.
You always play a hero racial caricature about yourself what -- you talking yeah.
Oh how many times have you used some West Virginia language about we're not more visual you people haven't.
Yeah this battle ready I think America -- -- sound and pictures and television.
I think they couldn't they couldn't deal with Hispanics as having any -- -- -- out anyway.
That they've been NBC gets involved and they try to steer the -- by making it seem as if he's telling the cops person -- the black kid wasn't the -- And I think that you then get into the case itself where the -- that that witness Rachel didn't help.
-- first of all the woman.
Apparently a literate right she's only a teenager the teenager -- you have a lot.
Lot of attitude and very curt and I mean just -- mean people's head there's the New York Times again that she was mammoth find is what what the one of the -- -- -- like -- right a popular caricature.
That you saw most famously.
Was that aren't gonna know that but the butterfly McQueen yes -- -- the young.
And -- and not just US.
View the caricature of sort of the aunt Jemima caricature that that was -- which was a wise old man but then there's -- butterfly McQueen who is is that needing any.
And see that this was then this was a young man -- just -- situation.
-- so you get all of this kind of thrown and then of course she reports that.
Martin's that he was being followed by -- I think he's -- scary -- creepy ass yeah.
Right right and then there were articles in the paper about what's that all you can say it black people can say cracker what liking it like people who use the N word -- you think.
You must've missed that on the slavery and legal segregation and power thing there was -- That's the -- -- the United States as and I you know I say this all the time.
The that original sin of slavery.
It has -- in this country has paid an incredible price and continues today an incredible price for that and it did it touches us wherever we are if you see something like.
In this in the south is it remarkable that it is still a point of discussion about the voting rights act in the and the Supreme Court and all of that stuff that -- get away from the did you know that the it would hypocrisy of the past two.
To continue with the veterans.
Eyebrow -- -- and Fresno that would.
-- I do this all the time.
But the but bit the past the past is not prolong the past is even.
Chances and even -- and in this case.
Then having said -- bet that that model the media yeah I think try to perpetrate it and what they found is in fact it.
That's just not what's going on here -- even the FBI said this is not about.
-- as advertised no one williams' column is as advertised it is excellent if you are -- are -- at Fox News up on security here you should just go over and read it because you will be you will be smarter.
And you will have fewer horizons lifted.
That thank you want for lifting our horizons and -- I appreciate the fact that on such a great show about American if you take a second look at this issue and -- and it's a heck of -- -- why.
Have a great Friday -- you Internet your great Friday will continue in this case because when we come back we'll talk about that blue.
Down in Texas get your pink sneakers out.
We're gonna talk about the Texas senate and restrictions on -- late term abortion what it means for the rest of the country means a lot.
-- -- -- Back in July protesters.
Who were railing against legislation.
Pending and ultimately defeated in the Texas legislature.
That would have.
Elective abortions after the fifth month.
And this is -- plan while back now here's the deal.
Wendy -- she's a state senator from Fort Worth witches for -- She caught national attention and her pink sneakers and she spoke for eleven hours.
And ultimately because David do rumors that it made a mistake.
V -- her filibuster -- successful despite being hugely outnumbered in the Texas which is kind of Republican in a state where even the Democrats are.
Pretty pro life.
It's back today is it's senate in Texas is gonna pass this today all but certainly and it will become law and it's part of a trend around the country Democrats however.
Think that there is -- that that the ultimate defeat is opportunity for them in the next election cycle.
What about that.
People who know.
-- is because he's the president of solid -- strategies and director of Latino act but he is also attacks.
And he knows about what Democrats from Texas -- because he is one.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- She is a spokeswoman for the NR CC they tried to get Republicans elected two -- and -- keep an error.
Actually it's probable that grill.
We'll stipulate like connect with Michael.
OK it's -- What why is -- -- -- -- I don't know you know all right that's -- -- union -- -- I have nothing better not be here on the hotel restaurant.
Could be so there's things.
Down in Texas and I wrote about this.
I -- about this.
On abortion dams gather enough and have to set.
Being the party.
In races -- this.
The woman -- Texas Wendy Davis is an attractive spokeswoman.
And I don't mean physically I mean she's accomplished single mom she's Schuettler Albert -- and apparently there are bird like she's.
She's got -- good -- she's got all that stuff.
But ultimately in the end Democrats don't want to be -- party that is the last line of defense.
On elective late term abortion right.
I'm probably true I would say is though is the spin how you take this momentum and try to.
You know -- towards this new electorate that is single women and women who may not have been involved.
Whether you're gonna have -- on both sides of this issue is they're using windy day costs and actions are using in a neighbor policy but to be the voice in the face of an issue that they think they can -- a blast went.
Exactly now unlike the Republicans did with that -- rainfall -- others on drones in the US senate filibuster can be an effective moment ground people were caused.
But people do pay more attention to the cause when Nate do and you know -- be helpful now -- in 2004 Republicans successfully used the issue.
Of -- -- where polls.
Still supported them in large numbers those polls have shifted they successfully use that issue in 2004.
Subsequently though it became difficult for your party -- you guys tried to talk about issues.
The base that had gotten fired up and that the bush campaign and others fired up and -- didn't want to be less fired up when it was less helpful to -- I think there with this issue of abortion we've seen -- the senate Democrats here in Washington they don't want to talk about this issue.
Gonna bring this issue because it's not a winning issue is -- support throughout the country.
To me in late term abortion and I think people are sick and tired of seeing the horrific crimes happen in Pennsylvania with her -- now -- is not a popular position for Democrats surrendered in the understand that for 2014.
This -- true fact.
Now ultimately -- -- Democrats are not expecting this if you do base politics right here's what you do and just at Florida.
You fire up the base but then the basis quiet when you get to the general election you're looking for an issue where you can turn them out get him.
Spending money volunteering.
Out on doing that but then you're not gonna have to do now the wrong -- you do something like that like Mitt Romney on immigration.
You talk about it a lot in the primaries in the into the general and beating -- the head with it while you're trying to run for Democrats though.
Again this issue Americans is key points of the polls are trending it's the opposite of game average -- polls are trending in the republicans' favor us.
But -- given rapidly to the base as well as for fundraising as a reason -- you're seeing which is seen texas'.
But his organization women health organizations are usually is to raise an incredible amount of money to Trotter educate people and also use it for political purposes use it to.
Give people riled up because it's not an election time right now just like you said could you don't want this happening around on election in November of an election year so they use and -- to gain more membership to raise more money -- -- Right now -- for Republicans perhaps you guys can be pretty confident knowing that the terrain looks good for you guys in fourteen in the sense that.
There are not very many.
Republicans you've you've lost some in the last cycle so there are not as many Republicans in Obama districts.
And that there are some Democrats and -- districts that you would like to see.
Pick a new line of work.
The question for you.
It is as Republicans do this the president believes -- it immigration in the house not acting and immigration is something that he can use to shift popular opinion against Republicans in -- house -- Listen the most toxic that was technically -- but you know and.
The most taxing thing for Democrats are in collections and -- fourteenth -- in sleepless in for a liberal -- -- We've seen -- in 2010 minutes -- an inch and fourteen.
People are sick and tired of seen that failed policies pushed by this president -- hunting.
The job market to crumble in -- -- -- -- me.
In this dismal state.
This is very recent thing that is going to be very hard for Democrats are 2014 I think that's why we're seeing.
Democrats that are sitting in those Republican around me districts running away pushing -- close -- about as part is possible.
Saves you see -- this was the same message -- Barack Obama was seeking re election is there's no way you get reelected he's got failed policies on the phone with a seven point 2%.
Yeah he got to -- -- gets occurs again and Mitt Romney but you want.
But I would say that.
There are her only 26 house races in America -- -- were either either party the ousted president candidate for president -- We have very limited space -- -- -- limits as we've talked about -- before the house is increasingly.
A hundred seats anymore right it was crazy spent thirty seats and and in the universe is -- But -- you will.
Acknowledge who will stipulate I hope that the mid -- electorate looks like different general.
Only because our people party you know yeah.
It's so hard about -- when you start talking about immigration you start talking about districts like familiar district and an industry in California that has over twenty -- Latino populations will be hand picking up districts like that to try to get some victories.
But the map works against us the map is going to work against us for ten more years until we are predicting again.
And we have to get out in these localized issues and talk about our local issues and talk about Barack Obama's close.
I think and -- that -- the thing that's gonna hurt Democrats going in -- 2014 is president Barack Obama.
In his -- he's -- speaker Pelosi out there trying to regain his speakership.
Ernie -- -- -- he's giving generating this leadership that's in income for house Democrats it's not going to be the map.
It's not going to be.
You know trying to fight and -- -- these little issues here and there it's going to be the fact that they -- on the president's policies that they have to own.
The fact that Whitney if they got Howard and in the house they would vote for me -- -- -- he's speaker and that's something the American people overwhelmingly.
Do not support.
-- food stamps when you -- -- out of reform bill you don't pass immigration I think I've got motivation to give.
Lots of both to the polls that's how it goes.
We thank you for being here -- we thank you for being here we thank you for being here at great weekend.
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